What is accessable ?

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A Wago Box with 222's - to extend a radial, positioned in a floor - under carpet, under a floor board, removable with 4 screws.
I am advised to leave it 'accessable' ... could it be labelled as accessable in such a position ?

The Wago is installed to be MF, so in theory should never need to be accessed, although sceptical voices say that its relaibility as MF is questionable.
 
A Wago Box with 222's - to extend a radial, positioned in a floor - under carpet, under a floor board, removable with 4 screws. I am advised to leave it 'accessable' ... could it be labelled as accessable in such a position ? The Wago is installed to be MF, so in theory should never need to be accessed, ...
Who is advising you that it needs to be accessible? As you imply, the whole point in using a JB which qualifies (as installed) as 'MF' is that it then does not need to be accessible.
... although sceptical voices say that its relaibility as MF is questionable.
Not so much 'questionable' as 'uncertain' (in the very long term) - but that's a different matter, given that their use is 'accepted'.

Kind Regards, John
 
On the building of Sizewell 'b' a wall was left out until some machinery was fitted, I questioned what would happen if the machine needed changing. Answer simple knock down the wall again, so if a concrete wall can be considered as temporary, what is permanent? Seems the reactor is permanent, the rest is temporary only has a 50 year life.

So it the home permanent? The prefab homes immediate post war were designed to last 25 years but some still in use. But I would have said we expect to access cable joints in domestic every 10 years, new rules have reduced that to 5 years, the screws need testing at each EICR so the maintenance free spring loaded connector block does seem to be way forward.

First worked with them in 1980 so been around for over 40 years, the problem with early versions was you could not remove the wires, so needed enough spare length to be cut off and remade. A real problem when fault finding. Later versions had a screwdriver slot to release cable, and still latter they had built in levers, but I would not worry too much about reliability as MF as they have been around for a long time, likely as long as the Nuclear power station.

As to floor boards with writing on them saying JB below, it seems people just ignore it when fitting flooring, so rather pointless. It seems other trades don't worry, I remember fitting a bathroom extractor fan, the owner did not want the run on, and as the windows could be opened it did not need run on, next time visited windows changed to non opening type, seems window fitters do not read the parts of the building regulations.

In real terms experience and common sense must be used, a metal frame batching plant will shake screws loose, so you need to access non maintenance free quite regular, in a house brick built with wood beams, I have found junction boxes like this
joining-wires-in-junction-box.jpg
with no problem 70 years old. And I have made cable joints using screw terminals which have be then potted and the screws can't work loose because they are potted. I would trust a jubilee clip holding the earth between two bits of SWA cable much more than the silly springs supplied with the kits. Both are potted so neither can move, but what is the contact area, under fault conditions will it overheat. The epoxy resin is the same as loktight. Once set nothing is working loose.
 
Thanks for the replies.

Umm, all food for thought.

Who is advising you that it needs to be accessible?
My electrician, although he has since inspected and is now comfortable with the position.

The above junction boxes - careful not to over tighten the screws.

The loktight seems an interesting idea to JB screws, someone should test and certify it.

The below website has some interesting info on overheatting of wires:
https://www.safe-connect.co.uk/technical-info/

These look interesting - need to read the certificates to ascertain suitability:
https://www.safe-connect.co.uk/hci/
 
Who is advising you that it needs to be accessible?
My electrician, although he has since inspected and is now comfortable with the position.
Maybe he has partially redeemed himself but, had it not been for that, if an electrician were saying that 'MF' connections had to be accessible (when the whole point of 'MF' is that they needn't be!), I would probably be suggesting that you probably needed a different electrician!

Kind Regards, John
 
if an electrician were saying that 'MF' connections had to be accessible (when the whole point of 'MF' is that they needn't be!)
Yes that confused me too, I think a while ago he'd just rather not see Wagos' and there boxes, but maybe he has changed his position on them recently.
 

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