Where's my tax cut

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Triggered by the post of Zampa: The Squirrel I thought I would post this.

"Every once in a while, I find myself pondering the complicated subject of taxation and the economy. Social Security, the deficit, Iraq, oil ... somehow, it's all supposed to make sense. Instead, I get so overwhelmed by all the numbers that I usually just throw my hands up in frustration and forget about it.

Then I came across this little story by David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D., Professor of Economics at the University of Georgia - and it became crystal clear. It's like one of those fables you may have heard when you were a child. The ones that make even the most complex ideas seem very simple. This story may not leave you with the warm, fuzzy feeling the three little pigs did - but go ahead and read it. See what you think ...

Suppose that, every day, 10 men go out for dinner and the total bill comes to $100. Suppose, too, that they decide to pay the bill the way we pay our taxes. This is what happens:

The first four men (the poorest) pay nothing.
The fifth pays $1.
The sixth pays $3.
The seventh pays $7.
The eighth pays $12.
The ninth pays $18.
The tenth man (the richest) pays $59.

The 10 men are happy with the arrangement. But then, one day, the owner of the restaurant throws them a curve. "Since you are all such good customers," he says, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily meal by $20." Dinner for the 10 now costs just $80.

The group still wants to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes, so the first four men are unaffected. They still eat for free. But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How do they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone gets his "fair share"?

They realize that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtract that amount from everybody's share, the fifth and sixth men would end up being paid to eat their meals.

So the restaurant owner suggests that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount - and he proceeds to work out how much each one should pay.

And so:

The fifth man, like the first four, now pays nothing (a 100% savings).
The sixth now pays $2 instead of $3 (a 33% savings).
The seventh now pays $5 instead of $7 (a 28% savings).
The eighth now pays $9 instead of $12 (a 25% savings).
The ninth now pays $14 instead of $18 (a 22% savings).
The tenth now pays $49 instead of $59 (a 16% savings).

All six of these men are now better off than they were before. And the other four continue to eat for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.

"I only got a dollar out of the $20," declares the sixth man. He points to the tenth man, "But he got $10!"

"Yeah, that's right," exclaims the fifth man. "I only saved a dollar too. It's unfair that he got 10 times more than me. "

"That's true!" shouts the seventh man. "Why should he get $10 back when I get only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!"

"Wait a minute!" the first four men yell in unison. "We didn't get anything at all. This system exploits the poor!"

The nine men surround the tenth and beat him up.

The next night, the tenth man doesn't show up for dinner, so the nine sit down and eat without him. But when it comes time to pay the bill, they make a disturbing discovery. They don't have enough money between all of them to cover even half of the bill.

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may stop showing up. In fact, they might start eating overseas, where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier."

(From a newsletter by Lee Fowler)
 
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Hmmmm......

Surely the tenth man employs lots of fancy-schmancy accountants so that he looks poor on paper and pays next to nothing and enjoys a practically free meal on the backs of everyone else there. Its probably off-shored or in a trust for his spoilt gymkhana-freak daughters or written off against sh*gging his PA or womething.

In fact, the 1st and 2nd man are probably the rightful ninth and tenth men.
 
johnny_t said:
In fact, the 1st and 2nd man are probably the rightful ninth and tenth men.
Then the unrightful ninth and tenth men should employ the same accountant and switch places to become the unrightful first and second, and so on, and so on. :LOL: :LOL:
 
I've found the best way to pay less tax is to have less money :cry:


There are worse things than having lots, and paying tax on it.
 
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well that was a boad of lollocks wasnt it

show me someone on the minimum wage and i will show you a tax payer


regardless of how much your making this government will tax you to some extent

i am all for chaos i am lets have some
 
Slogger said:
regardless of how much your making this government will tax you to some extent
Make that any government and not just in this country. But you're missing the point
 
WoodYouLike said:
Slogger said:
regardless of how much your making this government will tax you to some extent
Make that any government and not just in this country. But you're missing the point

i thought the point was that the rich keep us afloat and i disagree totally

let them take there cash elsewhere but if there is any business here or any sales then hammer them
 
WoodYouLike said:
Slogger said:
i thought the point was that the rich keep us afloat and i disagree totally
No, the taxpayers keep us afloat.
Not sure about that, under this Labour government, the richer are now richer than ever before under Labour polices and the poorer are now worse off, the middle working class under New labour are also worse off. They have got the balance wrong, still what do they care?
 
I didn't say I agree with this government, or any other come to think of it. Every government will tax their people (the same people who put them there, well nine times out of ten, I don't count dicatators at the moment to keep things simple and in perspective).
The point being made in this story is when there are tax breaks (every one the same percentage, which translates in different absolute numbers) the richer will get the most 'discount' but still pays (absolute) more than the rest. So make proper calculations before you 'beat-them-up' :LOL:
 
WoodYouLike said:
I didn't say I agree with this government, or any other come to think of it.
I know, I just wanted to get it off my chest :LOL:
 
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