Zuckerberg, Trump, Musk. The truth.

[Justin Passing]

Does it depend what X and Y represent?

The rich and the poor

I think many welcome what Trump is doing and are blind to some of the dangers.

Partly there's uknowns/mystery about where he wants to end up. He wants more parity on protectionism, ok. Everything we take from the US gets 20% vat slapped on, like a tariff. OK, makes some sense.

Plenty is going wrong though.
He wants to spend less in various gov depts, ok. So he's getting rid of vast chunks, ah. Then he realised he'd sacked a load of Nuclear engineers so had to rescind that, oops. A nutter with a butcher's knife. Musk did it so it must be ok, right?? It's what usually happens in a takeover of a company. It's easier to start fresh. He's prepared to make a mess first and ask questions later, never mind the damage.
OK if people don't suffer in the short term, let alone the long - but they do.

He's missing a lot of import duty on low value packages. Section 321 De Minimus. China is taking advantage. FIne, bang them with duties. Ooooops they don't have the staff, rescind that one too. It'll probably work evetually.

And on and on. Look back in 3,10, 30 months and see where he is - rather than where he'll say he is.

As Rumsfeldt would have said, there are known unknowns and unknown unknowns as well as known knowns.
But to declare that everything is going to be bad like the leftie zealot ranter does, is assinine.

 

[MNW67]

they are ALL the same, albeit to varying degrees.

Isn't that a contradiction?

 

[MNW67]

The rich and the poor

Partly there's uknowns/mystery about where he wants to end up. He wants more parity on protectionism, ok. Everything we take from the US gets 20% vat slapped on, like a tariff. OK, makes some sense.

Plenty is going wrong though.
He wants to spend less in various gov depts, ok. So he's getting rid of vast chunks, ah. Then he realised he'd sacked a load of Nuclear engineers so had to rescind that, oops. A nutter with a butcher's knife. Musk did it so it must be ok, right?? It's what usually happens in a takeover of a company. It's easier to start fresh. He's prepared to make a mess first and ask questions later, never mind the damage.
OK if people don't suffer in the short term, let alone the long - but they do.

He's missiong a lot of import duty on low value packages. Section 321 De Minimus. China is taking advantage. FIne, bang them with duties. Ooooops they don't have the staff, rescind that one too.

And on and on. Look back in 3,10, 30 months and see where he is.

Thanks, that very interesting.

The other point I was alluding to is that many seem to be blinded to the the dangers of sliding into authoritarianism.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Isn't that a contradiction?

Nope.

Let me explain.

There are three people. They all lie. Person A, 20% of the time, person B 40% of the time, person C 60% of the time.

Two things can be true at the same time

 

[Mottie]

Mottie says: “I see facts as nonsensical”

What "facts" are you referring to?

 

[Justin Passing]

The other point I was alluding to is that many seem to be blinded to the the dangers of sliding into authoritarianism.

Agreed. Haven't heard any revolting Republicans yet, but it may only be a matter of time before he's called out.

 

[MNW67]

Agreed. Haven't heard any revolting Republicans yet, but it may only be a matter of time before he's called out.

Right on cue he posts this message. So bizarre. Is he going to start ignoring the courts?

 

[Justin Passing]

That's probably against the Constitution. ?

 

[MNW67]

That's probably against the Constitution. ?

As so often, we don't know what he truly means. But if he actually defies court orders, then I am sure that is against the Constitution.

 

[Mottie]

This forum is an example…… a few on here are excitedly lapping each and every instalment of the propaganda.

And nobody is lapping any harder than you.

 

[Notch7]

You have not taken anything apart.
My opinions? What, like "untested"?
Is that uninformed and bigoted?
I haven't posted what anyone could call uninformed bigoted opinions

Your opinions are uninformed and bigoted.

Here are some examples of you being both un8nformed and bigoted:

You said: “Tariffs will, in his estimation, lead to more jobs in the US.
Corporation tax cuts will lead to higher employment because companies will have life easier.
If they make more of their own shoes, which end of the spectrum has more people benefitting”


1) tariffs WONT lead to more jobs in USA, they didn’t last time he tried it and anybody with an understanding ladybird book of economics knows it won’t this time.

2) corporation tax cuts didn’t lead to higher employment last time

3) the Labour rates in USA versus cheaper countries can never compete…….a child can understand that. All it will do is force American businesses to go hunting around the world for new places to source stuff where Trump hasn’t slapped on tariffs.


Justin Passing, I provided you with evidence to back up everything I’ve just pointed out, but like a child you had a hissy fit when presented with EVIDENCE, claiming I’d just posted a load of crap.

Justin Passing posts uninformed bigoted opinions and gets angry when’s he has been shown up.

Now please go away and do your own research instead of behaving like a fool

Enjoy

 

[Mottie]

I provided you with evidence to back up everything I’ve just pointed out,

You've never done that on here for anything, ever. Stop lying Notch.

 

[Notch7]

It has been explained before that if Americans don't like what is happening they will voice their thoughts in the mid terms

What’s that got to do with anything?


What people vote for and what’s good for them.
Not necessarily the same.

People may well continue to vote to be worse off

 

[Notch7]

You've never done that on here for anything, ever. Stop lying Notch.

I’ve literally just proven that Trumps tariffs won’t increase jobs
I’ve literally just proven that Trump cutting corp tax won’t increase jobs

My proof is based on the data from last time he did it.



If you disagree with the evidence I’ve provided you are welcome to put forward your own….that’s how it works.

 

[Notch7]

All politicians use propaganda.
All politicians are devious.
All politicians will pivot as and when they need to.
All politicians are frequently economic with the truth.
All politicians often have ulterior motives.
All politicians could listen more and talk less.

Let's not kid ourselves otherwise. Yes, to varying degrees, however they're all guilty of the above. If anyone thinks otherwise, they are deluded.

Nobody said otherwise.

But you are pathetically trying to excuse Trump, by claiming “they are all the same”

They aren’t.



There’s no equivalence between Donald Trump and Joe Biden or Barack Obama

Stop trying to be a k-nob by claiming there is…..you’ve even pathetically claimed that Trumps puts American citizens at the “forefront of everything he does”…….