Instead of locking threads,, just ban Rogue Hanger the troll
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Thing is RH, in any debate about immigration,or the EU, you have to have opposing sides. You are inferring that those against immigration are racist, If we're opposing purely the increasing amount of immigration into the UK, we're accused of racism..
So you see, it doesn't matter what any one of us writes on here, you'll bleat on that we are racist.
If we link to newspaper articles, you denounce whatever paper we've linked to as just being sensationalist journalism. If we link to tv programs,, it's just "entertainment"
Someone mentioned the Labour party admitting "They'd got it wrong" over mass immigration. You quoted them, but intentionally left out your beloved "Labour party" in the quote.. So perhaps you are no better than the sensationalist press or the "entertaining" tv program writers.
So you see, it doesn't matter what any one of us writes on here, you'll bleat on that we are racist.
If we link to newspaper articles, you denounce whatever paper we've linked to as just being sensationalist journalism. If we link to tv programs,, it's just "entertainment"
Someone mentioned the Labour party admitting "They'd got it wrong" over mass immigration. You quoted them, but intentionally left out your beloved "Labour party" in the quote.. So perhaps you are no better than the sensationalist press or the "entertaining" tv program writers.
Perhaps someone should take screenshots of RH's abusive insults (for exactly the same reason)
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Big Tone
He, RH, did bug me personally about being racist like he was on a PC mission to nit - pick about the very slightest things which could be deemed racist = racist person.
That bothers me tbh. But, as ever, I'll give credit and apologies where due if I find I have missjudged or maligned someone.
TBH, I'm not sure any of us can ever know that about anyone. So where does that leave us....?
Is GD anything more than just entertainment?
That bothers me tbh. But, as ever, I'll give credit and apologies where due if I find I have missjudged or maligned someone.
TBH, I'm not sure any of us can ever know that about anyone. So where does that leave us....?
Is GD anything more than just entertainment?
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Is GD anything more than just entertainment?
I'm sure it's more than that. Yes, it's entertainment in a way, but a sound, well-reasoned argument could possibly sway other people's opinions.
Note, I did say a sound, well-reasoned argument.
I'm sure someone (no names, of course) will be along with some 'insultations'!
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RogueHanger
Not necessarily. But I'm sure I don't need to clarify. Suffice to mention "plurality".
Not at all. It's your use of racist terms and racist motivation for wanting reduced migration that deserves the description.
Similarly, you and others, assume that anyone criticising racially motivated abuse must be pro-immigration. The two do not necessarily follow. For instance, I'm very much pro-EU free movement of people, not only for personal reasons, but I'm ambivalent or open-minded to RoW migration, and I accept the official reports that's it's been good for EU, which tends to make my mind up for me.
Not true. It's only those who use racist abuse or who are racially motivated to want to reduce immigration that I criticise or accuse of racism.
I'm more than willing to discuss immigration, but without any racist abuse, or abuse of those of an opposing view. I still believe that I have only ever resorted to abuse as a response to abuse.
Maybe because the links, what few there are, are to such newspaper articles as the DM, and channel 5. Whereas my links ae usually to independent or cross-party reports or studies, or BBC articles, etc. You can't really expect anyone to take the DM or channel 5 articles as typical.
It's not my beloved Labour party. I don't have a vote in UK and I haven't for a few years now. The quote that I left out was the poster's quote refering to Labour's so called policy of building on green land to house hordes of immigrants. Hardly genuine, topical or of use. I intentionally deleted it to concentrate attention on the real issue under debate. Labour's policy of building on green land was a new side issue to cloud the real issue, if such policy actually exists.
You're welcome to your view. But you've not presented much evidence to support your view.
But I appreciate the discusion of some genuine issues, especially without recourse to racist or personal abuse.
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RogueHanger
My apologies, BT, If I've offended you or maligned you.He, RH, did bug me personally about being racist like he was on a PC mission to nit - pick about the very slightest things which could be deemed racist = racist person.
That bothers me tbh. But, as ever, I'll give credit and apologies where due if I find I have missjudged or maligned someone.
TBH, I'm not sure any of us can ever know that about anyone. So where does that leave us....?
Is GD anything more than just entertainment?
Please bear in mind that a comment, per se, out of context, may not be perceived as a racist comment. But, in context, in support of another racially motivated view, may be perceived as reinforcing those views.
Perhaps, it's also worth bearing in mind that
a) for an opinion to have value, you must first value that person's opinion and I'm honoured if you value my opinion, you're probably one of the few on GD.
b) as you say, an accusation of someone acting in a racially motivated way, or percieved to have done so, does not necessarily mean that their life is based on those precepts. They may, in all other repects, be a genuine compassionate person. An unintended lapse does not determine the person. Only persisitent and repetitive actions will determine a person's character.
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Big Tone
In my work I meet just about the widest and most diverse range of people one can. So I would expect to get struck off or something if I were racist; or displayed such a proclivity. But it’s not just about what I do for a living; the fact is it’s just not in me anyway. As I’ve said before, this country would be on its knees if it were not for the wonderful people it’s been my privilege to meet and class many as friends.
What I won’t do, however, is play ball with the PC finger-wagging brigade who suck air through their teeth at the slightest thing or generalization anyone may make. For a start, generalizations are not all bad; in fact I might argue it’s human nature. In our evolution, as with all animals, it’s recognising a pattern or trait which helps us survive.
Posters here, myself included, make statements based on their experience and it’s naive to think that some people will not or do not use the race card or gender card etc. But as soon as anyone says it, even as-and-when the cap fits, all hell breaks out. Most recently, for example and close to home, was yesterday’s latest local news about the Trojan Horse scandal...
You can almost hear the eggshells people are walking on about how to tackle it and what not to say. It’s truly cringe-worthy watching interviewees in fear of saying the wrong thing! If someone suggested it was happening before this scandal broke, (because they personally witnessed it happening), they would be called racist. It’s only when the poop hits the fan they can ‘come out’. It seems to me that we talk about freedom of speech and a free country but it’s anything but a lot of the time!
More silliness: No one would bat an eyelid if I were to say I’m looking to buy a car but I want one in white. But the PC brigade would be up in arms if I said I’m looking for a girlfriend but she must be white. Why not, if that’s my preference? It’s like you can’t even have a preference these days. I nearly spat my tea out when a black guy at work once said after he met the girl of his dreams “I always wanted a girl with green eyes”. What *******s! Can you see what he was really saying there? Why didn’t he just say he wanted a white piece of a$$ ffs, it’s no big deal. I think racism is a bit like porn. I can’t define it but I’d know it if I saw it.
What I won’t do, however, is play ball with the PC finger-wagging brigade who suck air through their teeth at the slightest thing or generalization anyone may make. For a start, generalizations are not all bad; in fact I might argue it’s human nature. In our evolution, as with all animals, it’s recognising a pattern or trait which helps us survive.
Posters here, myself included, make statements based on their experience and it’s naive to think that some people will not or do not use the race card or gender card etc. But as soon as anyone says it, even as-and-when the cap fits, all hell breaks out. Most recently, for example and close to home, was yesterday’s latest local news about the Trojan Horse scandal...
You can almost hear the eggshells people are walking on about how to tackle it and what not to say. It’s truly cringe-worthy watching interviewees in fear of saying the wrong thing! If someone suggested it was happening before this scandal broke, (because they personally witnessed it happening), they would be called racist. It’s only when the poop hits the fan they can ‘come out’. It seems to me that we talk about freedom of speech and a free country but it’s anything but a lot of the time!
More silliness: No one would bat an eyelid if I were to say I’m looking to buy a car but I want one in white. But the PC brigade would be up in arms if I said I’m looking for a girlfriend but she must be white. Why not, if that’s my preference? It’s like you can’t even have a preference these days. I nearly spat my tea out when a black guy at work once said after he met the girl of his dreams “I always wanted a girl with green eyes”. What *******s! Can you see what he was really saying there? Why didn’t he just say he wanted a white piece of a$$ ffs, it’s no big deal. I think racism is a bit like porn. I can’t define it but I’d know it if I saw it.
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RogueHanger
I think you should have stopped writing a few lines back, BT. It's as good as negated everything that you've said before. Which is a shame, really.
You've demonstrated that you wouldn't know racism, if you saw it.
There are many black celebrities with green eyes.
Incidentally, though I wouldn't totally agree with your colleague, I would agree that black people with green eyes are attractive
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Call me whitey, call me English, call me a pom. Yep. That's me and I'm proud of that fact. The only people that can actually FEEL racially abused are those that have a massive inferiority complex. Hey guess what you black/brown people - you are ashamed of your heritage - but that's your problem not mine.
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Big Tone
And there it is, all hell breaking out from RH.
Firstly, you should credit me with knowing the person, his personality and his other ‘antics’.
So although I happen to know it’s true you have just proven my point at how keen you are to shout racist from the highest mountain in some superior omniscient way without knowing or enquiring further about him and the situation. You think I should have said nothing because it is what it is. Well no, I wont and I speak as I find.
Secondly, racism isn’t a one way street. Many people, the majority probably, default to thinking it’s being white and their subjugation of black from our sordid past. Well here’s another bombshell... Black and yellow can be racist too you know. Here's another truism you won't like me saying but will 'support' your opinion of me - they can get away with it like no white guy can too.
In fact you may not know what Black Africans and Jamaicans think of each other but FYI they hate each others guts and call each other the ‘N’ word. My friend has seen it first hand working as a security officer of Tesco where he has literally had to break them up from verbal abuse. (Paints quite a picture I think; a white bloke trying to quench a potential fight between them calling each other names).
You appear to see racism everywhere in nearly everyone. Unless we all are proactively following positive discrimination, (which is a form discrimination in itself), I don’t think you will ever be satisfied. There’s nothing me or anyone else here can say without your next line being along the lines of “he doth protest too much”.
No one can prove they are racist or not and a genuine racist comment does still not necessarily make a racist person. Only you know in your own heart if you are. So trying to prove or justify either way, especially on a forum, has to be one of the most complete acts of futility I can think of but one you seem hell-bent on trying to prove and point the finger like a self appointed judge jury and exocutioner.
Firstly, you should credit me with knowing the person, his personality and his other ‘antics’.
So although I happen to know it’s true you have just proven my point at how keen you are to shout racist from the highest mountain in some superior omniscient way without knowing or enquiring further about him and the situation. You think I should have said nothing because it is what it is. Well no, I wont and I speak as I find.
Secondly, racism isn’t a one way street. Many people, the majority probably, default to thinking it’s being white and their subjugation of black from our sordid past. Well here’s another bombshell... Black and yellow can be racist too you know. Here's another truism you won't like me saying but will 'support' your opinion of me - they can get away with it like no white guy can too.
In fact you may not know what Black Africans and Jamaicans think of each other but FYI they hate each others guts and call each other the ‘N’ word. My friend has seen it first hand working as a security officer of Tesco where he has literally had to break them up from verbal abuse. (Paints quite a picture I think; a white bloke trying to quench a potential fight between them calling each other names).
You appear to see racism everywhere in nearly everyone. Unless we all are proactively following positive discrimination, (which is a form discrimination in itself), I don’t think you will ever be satisfied. There’s nothing me or anyone else here can say without your next line being along the lines of “he doth protest too much”.
No one can prove they are racist or not and a genuine racist comment does still not necessarily make a racist person. Only you know in your own heart if you are. So trying to prove or justify either way, especially on a forum, has to be one of the most complete acts of futility I can think of but one you seem hell-bent on trying to prove and point the finger like a self appointed judge jury and exocutioner.
Do you sincerely believe this?
The Swiss people voted recently to curb immigration.
Of course all these people will be horrid racists in herrons mind!
"In an initial reaction for the People’s Party, president Toni Brunner said "the result is a blow for the government".
"The Swiss population knows better than the government or the administration what the problems with immigration really are. The government has to seek talks with the EU immediately and re-negotiate the free movement of people accord.”
A country within the grasp off the EU actually putting the voice of the people first and listening.
Sooner it happens in the UK the better.
Of course all these people will be horrid racists in herrons mind!
"In an initial reaction for the People’s Party, president Toni Brunner said "the result is a blow for the government".
"The Swiss population knows better than the government or the administration what the problems with immigration really are. The government has to seek talks with the EU immediately and re-negotiate the free movement of people accord.”
A country within the grasp off the EU actually putting the voice of the people first and listening.
Sooner it happens in the UK the better.
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Big Tone
Joe may have hit on something thereDo you sincerely believe this?
Thinking in terms of 'no one can make you feel inferior, you have to give consent" or "treat me badly once shame on you. Treat me badly twice shame on me"?
So your version of racial abuse is just basically harmless name calling then?Joe may have hit on something thereDo you sincerely believe this?
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