If the jabs are so successful...

It's worth noting that these rare side effects are so uncommon it's actually amazing that we are able to detect them at all.

It's massive testament to the effectiveness of this type of data based safety surveillance, very impressive.
 
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You'll have to educate yourself.
Look up how virus works.
I did, nothing I saw on the first page of Google backs up there being something magically different between Vaccine developed antibodies and naturally acquired ones. Except Vaccines are more reliable as they have a controlled dose and regime.
The method of introduction isn't what matters here, it's the payload.

Look it up. AFAIK every one of the ones we have in the West act on the spike proteins which is how the virus gets in
I did already, and showed they don't. An inactivated vaccine includes the entire virus, not just the spike. And, again, mRNA can be reformulated really fast to work on another model if the spike mutates. You're just wrong on this.
Yes it's harder with covid because we need a better vaccine but qualitatively it's the same. We don't all have to get measles, or covid.
It's so much harder it's not going to happen. Covid is more like the flu than Measles, it's just too hard. We haven't even eradicated Polio.

Do you think we will eradicate Covid, in either the UK or globally? If so when do you think that might happen.
 
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I wrote a detailed answer to this but clicked an old bookmark and it's gone.

If you have genuinely looked, then you haven't understood what you've read. Do a search on "How natural covid antibodies differ from"
Perhaps you remain too uneducated to undeerstand much, certainly to say much.

You certainly haven't read what I wrote before.
You take the píss out of what you don't understand.

Some of what you're saying is plain ignorant, really not worth anyone's time, sorry.

One more go:

You need to learn about what's in the virus, and which bits the western vaccines target, and what the crude treatments which produce "inactivated" vaccines , like heat, pH, UV or detergents, (in the case of lipid coated ones like covid), etc, often do. Inactivated viruses do not provide the same antibodies as the original virus. These vaccines aree not synthesised codon at a time.
There is some bad hsitory.. You need to know something of the other problems associated with traditional inactivated vaccines which will tell you why the west doesn't like them.
If you're unlucky you produce a more vaccine-resistant strain in the environment. They take a long time to develop and test, to be effective and safe.
That's a main reason why we in the west are not using them.
Despite what some say, vaccines usually get more testing that the ones we're using, have had time for.
However much you like to champion eg SInopharm, it's not great in some tests https://www.jpost.com/health-and-we...-v-more-effective-than-sinopharm-study-679130 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinopharm_BIBP_COVID-19_vaccine though it depends what you measure. Beware Chinese testers.

You will know that we (Pf, M, Az, & others ....) are only spike-targeting vaccines. The S (spike) potein collection iis how the virsu "gets in". It alters, so the western virus tried to cover variations. Some fail rather, eg AstaZenica and the beta variant.
LEarn how memory antibodies (T and B) evolve to broaden their effect and it weakens over time.
Our covid molecule has four major structural proteins (E, M, N and S) and 16 non-structural proteins encoded by ORF1a and ORF1b together (ORF1ab) that are involved in virus pathogenicity and infectivity*. There's a lot of work going on to try to sort out what deas what, to us. We know some about some problems, eg S and blood.
There are at least dozens of epitopes, 50 odd in the S , yes? Loads more inthe rest...

You need to understand something of the etiology and pathogenicity of virus-contained proteins. I bet you don't know much about that because nobody else has it all. We know fairly well what they do for the the virus, but not all about how they damage us. We're still working on eg how the loss of taste and smell works, and how exactly the cytokine system is disrupted.
Many of the syptoms of long covid, as with a number of other chronic conditions, we don't know much about. May be neuro damage.
Over time vaccines will evolve to cover some of those, but we aren't there yet.
The variants to some extent still manage to bind with ACE-2 you should know about, or elsewhere or get in somehow, possibly via ways we don't have cracked yet - research still ongoing on that.
That means that quadruple jabbing with the same vaccines probably won't stop them all - we need more approaches.^#

Here's a few links. SUggest you read a couple of dozen more from different sources, to get the general idea.

*https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34118359/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7138183/
https://www.miragenews.com/natural-infection-versus-vaccination-619201/
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/how-covid-19-variants-evade-immune-response
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4147684/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7189890/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7488171/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32645228/ if you're fat
^https://scitechdaily.com/decoy-rece...-cov-2-covid-19-coronavirus-in-cell-cultures/
#https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32137-1/fulltext
 
I wrote a detailed answer to this but clicked an old bookmark and it's gone.

If you have genuinely looked, then you haven't understood what you've read. Do a search on "How natural covid antibodies differ from"
Perhaps you remain too uneducated to undeerstand much, certainly to say much.

You certainly haven't read what I wrote before.
You take the píss out of what you don't understand.

Some of what you're saying is plain ignorant, really not worth anyone's time, sorry.

One more go:

You need to learn about what's in the virus, and which bits the western vaccines target, and what the crude treatments which produce "inactivated" vaccines , like heat, pH, UV or detergents, (in the case of lipid coated ones like covid), etc, often do. Inactivated viruses do not provide the same antibodies as the original virus. These vaccines aree not synthesised codon at a time.
There is some bad hsitory.. You need to know something of the other problems associated with traditional inactivated vaccines which will tell you why the west doesn't like them.
If you're unlucky you produce a more vaccine-resistant strain in the environment. They take a long time to develop and test, to be effective and safe.
That's a main reason why we in the west are not using them.
Despite what some say, vaccines usually get more testing that the ones we're using, have had time for.
However much you like to champion eg SInopharm, it's not great in some tests https://www.jpost.com/health-and-we...-v-more-effective-than-sinopharm-study-679130 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinopharm_BIBP_COVID-19_vaccine though it depends what you measure. Beware Chinese testers.

You will know that we (Pf, M, Az, & others ....) are only spike-targeting vaccines. The S (spike) potein collection iis how the virsu "gets in". It alters, so the western virus tried to cover variations. Some fail rather, eg AstaZenica and the beta variant.
LEarn how memory antibodies (T and B) evolve to broaden their effect and it weakens over time.
Our covid molecule has four major structural proteins (E, M, N and S) and 16 non-structural proteins encoded by ORF1a and ORF1b together (ORF1ab) that are involved in virus pathogenicity and infectivity*. There's a lot of work going on to try to sort out what deas what, to us. We know some about some problems, eg S and blood.
There are at least dozens of epitopes, 50 odd in the S , yes? Loads more inthe rest...

You need to understand something of the etiology and pathogenicity of virus-contained proteins. I bet you don't know much about that because nobody else has it all. We know fairly well what they do for the the virus, but not all about how they damage us. We're still working on eg how the loss of taste and smell works, and how exactly the cytokine system is disrupted.
Many of the syptoms of long covid, as with a number of other chronic conditions, we don't know much about. May be neuro damage.
Over time vaccines will evolve to cover some of those, but we aren't there yet.
The variants to some extent still manage to bind with ACE-2 you should know about, or elsewhere or get in somehow, possibly via ways we don't have cracked yet - research still ongoing on that.
That means that quadruple jabbing with the same vaccines probably won't stop them all - we need more approaches.^#

Here's a few links. SUggest you read a couple of dozen more from different sources, to get the general idea.

*https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34118359/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7138183/
https://www.miragenews.com/natural-infection-versus-vaccination-619201/
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/how-covid-19-variants-evade-immune-response
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4147684/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7189890/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7488171/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32645228/ if you're fat
^https://scitechdaily.com/decoy-rece...-cov-2-covid-19-coronavirus-in-cell-cultures/
#https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32137-1/fulltext
You're wasting your time mate. Some people wouldn't admit to having a hole in their arse if you gave them a mirror on a stick and a torch. You'll never ever convince them or get them to admit that they were wrong. Save your breath!
 
I had my booster 2 weeks ago and thought yippee but heard today that some one I know in his early 40’s and had his booster 3weeks ago has tested possitive :eek::eek::(
Son in law has now tested -ve for the virus with the only symptom of tiredness for a couple of days. He suffers from asthma and several allergies so thank goodness for the booster:)
 
NOW they are saying that flu is going to kill loads of people this winter because "social distancing" has lowered natural immunity!
 
NOW they are saying that flu is going to kill loads of people this winter because "social distancing" has lowered natural immunity!
When you say now, you mean they've been saying that for many months? Ever since wave 2 was winding down there have been warnings.
 
When you say now, you mean they've been saying that for many months? Ever since wave 2 was winding down there have been warnings.

SO "social distancing" cures covid but causes flu does it?
 
SO "social distancing" cures covid but causes flu does it?
Who's social distancing? No ****er is - that's the problem. Anyway, social distancing cures nothing - it does prevent/lessen the chance of transmission of anything though.
 
SO "social distancing" cures covid but causes flu does it?
No, Social distancing worked even better against flu than Covid. The flu spreads the same way but is less infectious.

Lockdown and social distancing worked so well there were virtually no cases last winter and it seems to have driven one variant of flu extinct. But since we're not distancing anymore it is spreading again. Ending social distancing is allowing flu to return.
 
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