The CE mark, is it still required?

[ericmark]

As it seems we are leaving the EU then will items still require the CE mark, or is the BS kite mark now replacing that?

 

[EFLImpudence]

Probably a bit early to say yet.

 

[Doggit]

As the CE mark is a conformity required to be able to sell into the EU zone, so it'll still be needed even after we exit. But knowing the way our civil servants work, they'll very likely insist on a BS Kitemark as well.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

But knowing the way our civil servants work

Do you mean unelected and unaccountable?

 

[Doggit]

As this'll be one of the unravelling from the EU laws procedures I suspect, it'll be the MP's, the negotiating committee, and anyone else that can put their tuppenceworth in. I'll leave you to work the dynamics out.

 

[OwainDIYer]

As it seems we are leaving the EU then will items still require the CE mark, or is the BS kite mark now replacing that?

Don't worry, China is already gearing up to make fake BS stickers ...

 

[ericmark]

Would that stand for Beijing Satisfied instead of Chinese Export? But the whole point is we feel that the EU was ruling our country so it would not make sense when we leave to continue to require things in UK to match what the EU requires, as then no point in leaving. We already have some rules which are different like the UK socket, but now BS7671 could be made law, there is no need for Part P to say or equivalent EU rule book.

We all going to have the emigrant problem with the removal of UK border control from France so we have to send them back not the EU, so a huge expense to UK. So there must also be some benefits.

I would like to see minimum wage scrapped so I can get a job. When I was a lad the retired people would work as security guards, sitting in tin huts at the road side, and many other jobs which really did not involve much work, also students would work as shop keepers, most of the time they would be studying but would put down the book when some one came in. All those jobs disappeared with the minimum wage, now maybe we can get them back again?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

But the whole point is we feel that the EU was ruling our country

Felt by whom?

Those who really didn't understand enough to be allowed to vote?

We are part of the EU - it's no more a valid complaint to say we are ruled by them than it would be for Surrey to complain that they are ruled by the UK.

so it would not make sense when we leave to continue to require things in UK to match what the EU requires

Unless, of course, they are things which we make and want them to buy. Or things they make and we want to buy, because what wouldn't make sense would be to have different requirements for things, so even if we break the link between BS and EN standards, in whose interests would it be for manufacturing costs to go up by having a BS require something different to an EN for the same characteristic? And if they are going to be the same, in whose interests (apart from the testing houses) would it be for manufacturing costs to go up by having a second, identical, set of conformance tests to be done?

We already have some rules which are different like the UK socket, but now BS7671 could be made law, there is no need for Part P to say or equivalent EU rule book.

Please explain just which EU regulation/directive/whatever prevented us from mandating BS 7671 compliance if we had wanted to.

If you can't then you're spouting something just as made up and rubbishy as the old one about banning curved bananas.

We all going to have the emigrant problem with the removal of UK border control from France so we have to send them back not the EU, so a huge expense to UK.

Not to mention the fact that most of our immigrants come from outside the EU, so leaving in order to "regain control of our borders" will do SFA.

So there must also be some benefits.

There won't be.

I would like to see minimum wage scrapped so I can get a job.

Businesses are going to love you - they'll be able to make even bigger profits by exploiting people even more. As will all those whose complaint was that immigration was driving down wages - they voted leave to stop immigration (which it won't) in order to stop what they saw as the erosion of their earnings. And now you want to say "now we've left we can remove all safeguards"?

Have you got a forelock you can tug?

And are you prepared to see people starving and homeless because they cannot earn enough money to live on, or is it your plan that the taxpayer should subsidise the profits of businesses by topping up their wages?

 

[Doggit]

Sorry BAS, odly enough, Ericmark has a bit of a point, and this is a discussion point, so don't jump down my throat.

The argument in favour of scrapping the minimum wages goes something like this; People (well most) wouldn't go for a job on a really low wage, and if a company couldn't get staff, then they'd have to increase the amount they offer. The reality would very likely be that the migrants would happily take a lower paid job to get something, and the benefits class would continue not to work.

Before the black plague, serfs worked for the land owners for nothing, but after the plague decimated the working population, the landowners had to give them free them and give them their own land, so that they'd work it for them. Hence the current argument that if there wasn't so many immigrants in the country then wages would very likely rise - as admitted by Lord Rose. Unfortunately, reality and theory don't always work properly.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

If all the jobs are being taken by migrants, why are there currently about 750,000 vacancies?

 

[stillp]

even if we break the link between BS and EN standards

That link has nothing to do with the EU, like a lot of other things the Leave campaign was banging on about. You're right about the wiring systems though, they are, and remain, the subject of national legislation in each country.

 

[stillp]

will items still require the CE mark, or is the BS kite mark now replacing that?

They are separate marks and are not exclusive. The CE marking shows that the manufacturer has declared that his product meets the Essential Requirements of all the applicable EU Directives. The Kitemark shows that BSI Product Services have tested a product and issued a certificate that it meets the requirements of a British Standard.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

Not to mention the fact that most of our immigrants come from outside the EU, so leaving in order to "regain control of our borders" will do SFA

Many of the immigrants however are from EU countries, mainly Poland, and so controlling them would be a start. As for the non-EU migrants I hope that, as a result of Brexit, we will get a goverment that is prepared to do whatever is necessary to stem the tide.

 

[JohnD]

good luck with that

The Brexiters told us they expected to keep having access to the Single Market, because trade is so important to the EU (and to us).

These are the options. Which of the Possible Outcomes is your favourite?

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You have presumably also heard they are backing away from the "control immigration" not-a-promise

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...brexit-immigration-some-control-a7102626.html

 

[Deleted member 18243]

If all the jobs are being taken by migrants, why are there currently about 750,000 vacancies?

The question should be: Why do we give jobs to migrants when there are so many jobless British people? The answers are many...

We pay millions of our own people not to work.

We do not educate, train and discipline our own young people for work.

We have given precedence to other cultures over our own (for political gain)

Due to housing policy and benefit rules many of our own people are prevented from "migrating" from, say, Hull, to, say, London, whereas somebody from Gdansk or Hyderabad has nothing to lose and everything to gain.