The crumbustion chamber?

[adlplumbing]

is that the way you like it

 

[megawatt]

Regarding:

How could you be competend without the required training?

Competency has nothing to do with training, you can receive the best training in the World and still be incompetent, conversely, you can receive no training and be fully competent.

Competency is the measurement of actual ability to do something not the qualification.

As an example, I am competent in French but I've not been trained whilst Mrs MW, who has French speaking qualifications, can just about manage "another beer please".

She is qualified and incompetent whilst I am unqualified and competent ... See the difference?

ACS exams are for ensuring a certain standard for Gas professionals ... Well, people who work with gas for a living anyhow

MW

 

[megawatt]

Wrong. The legislation says you need to be competent. However, the only proof of competency is the passing of the ACS examination. So if you haven't passed those then your aren't competent, Simples!

In that case you will be able to quote the legislation which says it's an offense to do the work without having passed that examination.

Gas Safety (Installation and use) Regulations 1998 as per the HSE.

Only applies to people who work on gas for a living.

 

[minion]

Hi, I understand what you are saying but as far as I am led to believe in court if an unregistered / DIY installer causes an unsafe situatuation

But if he causes an unsafe situation, then presumably he was not competent to do the job. If he is competent, even though not having passed a particular examination, then the result will be a safe installation, surely? (Or at least one as safe as it would be if done by somebody who has passed that exam.)

I fully appreciate what you are saying. I supose it could be a retired gas engineer. No longer registered but enough experiance to prove he is (or should be) competent.

I don't know how a builder could say the same.

Without being funny, how would a builder know what the correct working pressure is, or what to do if there is only 6 mb working pressure at the boiler. Or what could cause low working presure.

Or even if there is enough ventelation for an open flued appliance, or why it needs ventelattion.

I just think its hard enough when you know what your doing, never mind when you think you know what you are doing.

 

[cantaloup63]

As an example, I am competent in French but I've not been trained whilst Mrs MW, who has French speaking qualifications, can just about manage "another beer please".

She is qualified and incompetent whilst I am unqualified and competent ... See the difference?

Yes - Mrs MW is more likely to go to the bar in France than you are, you tight fisted git

 

[megawatt]

Indeed, and I have taught her a few other useful phrases also

 

[Paul_C]

Gas Safety (Installation and use) Regulations 1998 as per the HSE.

And where, specifically, in those regulations does it make it illegal?

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1998/2451/made

 

[megawatt]

Without being funny, how would a builder know what the correct working pressure is, or what to do if there is only 6 mb working pressure at the boiler. Or what could cause low working presure.

Or even if there is enough ventelation for an open flued appliance, or why it needs ventelattion.

Same way a gas fitter does ... By reading, learning and experience ... You don't need to be a gas fitter or do ACS to do these things you know.

Is English your first language?

MW

 

[minion]

Gas Safety (Installation and use) Regulations 1998 as per the HSE.

And where, specifically, in those regulations does it make it illegal?

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1998/2451/made[/QUOTE]


PART B
GAS FITTINGS – GENERAL PROVISIONS

Qualification and supervision

3.—(1) No person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel unless he is competent to do so.

(2) The employer of any person carrying out such work for that employer, every other employer and self-employed person who has control to any extent of such work and every employer and self-employed person who has required such work to be carried out at any place of work under his control shall ensure that paragraph (1) above is complied with in relation to such work.

(3) Without prejudice to the generality of paragraphs (1) and (2) above and subject to paragraph (4) below, no employer shall allow any of his employees to carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or service pipework and no self-employed person shall carry out any such work, unless the employer or self-employed person, as the case may be, is a member of a class of persons approved for the time being by the Health and Safety Executive for the purposes of this paragraph.

(4) The requirements of paragraph (3) above shall not apply in respect of—

(a)the replacement of a hose or regulator on a portable or mobile space heater; or

(b)the replacement of a hose connecting a re-fillable cylinder to installation pipework.

(5) An approval given pursuant to paragraph (3) above (and any withdrawal of such approval) shall be in writing and notice of it shall be given to such persons and in such manner as the Health and Safety Executive considers appropriate.

(6) The employer of any person carrying out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel in the course of his employment shall ensure that such of the following provisions of these Regulations as impose duties upon that person and are for the time being in force are complied with by that person.

(7) No person shall falsely pretend to be a member of a class of persons required to be approved under paragraph (3) above.

(8) Notwithstanding sub-paragraph (b) of regulation 2(4), when a person is carrying out work in premises referred to in that sub-paragraph in relation to a gas fitting in a vehicle, vessel or caravan—

(a)paragraphs (1), (2) and (6) of this regulation shall be complied with as respects thereto; and

(b)he shall ensure, so far as is reasonably practicable, that the installation of the gas fittings and flues will not contravene the provisions of these Regulations when the gas fittings are connected to a gas supply,

except that this paragraph shall not apply where the person has reasonable grounds for believing that the vehicle, vessel or caravan will be first used for a purpose which when so used will exclude it from the application of these Regulations by virtue of sub-paragraphs (a), (c) or (e) of regulation 2(5).

 

[joe-90]

Gas fitters are invariably incompetent to carry out electrical work - but they always do. That IS illegal.

 

[minion]

Without being funny, how would a builder know what the correct working pressure is, or what to do if there is only 6 mb working pressure at the boiler. Or what could cause low working presure.

Or even if there is enough ventelation for an open flued appliance, or why it needs ventelattion.

Same way a gas fitter does ... By reading, learning and experience ... You don't need to be a gas fitter or do ACS to do these things you know.

Is English your first language?

MW

Yes, Trial and error??? Good luck.

 

[adlplumbing]

no i don`t do electirc i get mate in

 

[megawatt]

Hmmmnnnn ... A plasterer probably

MW

 

[LargeWrench]

Why are all these sparkies so bothered anyway?

 

[megawatt]

Gas Safety (Installation and use) Regulations 1998 as per the HSE.

And where, specifically, in those regulations does it make it illegal?

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1998/2451/made[/QUOTE]


PART B
GAS FITTINGS – GENERAL PROVISIONS

Qualification and supervision

3.—(1) No person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel unless he is competent to do so.

(2) The employer of any person carrying out such work for that employer, every other employer and self-employed person who has control to any extent of such work and every employer and self-employed person who has required such work to be carried out at any place of work under his control shall ensure that paragraph (1) above is complied with in relation to such work.

(3) Without prejudice to the generality of paragraphs (1) and (2) above and subject to paragraph (4) below, no employer shall allow any of his employees to carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or service pipework and no self-employed person shall carry out any such work, unless the employer or self-employed person, as the case may be, is a member of a class of persons approved for the time being by the Health and Safety Executive for the purposes of this paragraph.

(4) The requirements of paragraph (3) above shall not apply in respect of—

(a)the replacement of a hose or regulator on a portable or mobile space heater; or

(b)the replacement of a hose connecting a re-fillable cylinder to installation pipework.

(5) An approval given pursuant to paragraph (3) above (and any withdrawal of such approval) shall be in writing and notice of it shall be given to such persons and in such manner as the Health and Safety Executive considers appropriate.

(6) The employer of any person carrying out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel in the course of his employment shall ensure that such of the following provisions of these Regulations as impose duties upon that person and are for the time being in force are complied with by that person.

(7) No person shall falsely pretend to be a member of a class of persons required to be approved under paragraph (3) above.

(8) Notwithstanding sub-paragraph (b) of regulation 2(4), when a person is carrying out work in premises referred to in that sub-paragraph in relation to a gas fitting in a vehicle, vessel or caravan—

(a)paragraphs (1), (2) and (6) of this regulation shall be complied with as respects thereto; and

(b)he shall ensure, so far as is reasonably practicable, that the installation of the gas fittings and flues will not contravene the provisions of these Regulations when the gas fittings are connected to a gas supply,

except that this paragraph shall not apply where the person has reasonable grounds for believing that the vehicle, vessel or caravan will be first used for a purpose which when so used will exclude it from the application of these Regulations by virtue of sub-paragraphs (a), (c) or (e) of regulation 2(5).

You've no idea what you're quoting here have you?

Note some key words "no employer shall allow any of his employees" ... Starting to get this yet?

MW