They were all in the same boat

[jeds]

Ukips Aussie style points system is being misunderstood by Ukip followers. They seem to think this means Australia has low immigration - which is not true. I've lived there and I can tell you the population is very similar to here except slightly different proportions of Nationalities. Australia has taken in large numbers of refugees over the years and on a population head-for-head basis currently has much higher net migration than the UK, AND its own figures estimate this increasing fairly substantially over the next 2 or 3 years. Just wanted to point this out.

 

[longdogs]

One thing about the RWR, they are extremely gullible.

So which party are you gullible towards? You deny being a 'lefty' so you obviously will not be voting Labour.

Do you believe in Dave 'No socks' CaMoron and his multiple kitchens?

Or do you believe the Limpdems and their policies on........................?

Greens?

Poison Dwarf?

Or are you actually a UKIP voter but your incessant trollism and your cowardness prevents you from saying so?

 

[longdogs]

Ukips Aussie style points system is being misunderstood by Ukip followers. They seem to think this means Australia has low immigration - which is not true. I've lived there and I can tell you the population is very similar to here except slightly different proportions of Nationalities. Australia has taken in large numbers of refugees over the years and on a population head-for-head basis currently has much higher net migration than the UK, AND its own figures estimate this increasing fairly substantially over the next 2 or 3 years. Just wanted to point this out.

What is the general feeling in the country? Are the Aussies concerned about immigration? I do realise of course that it's a huge country and has plenty of space.

 

[noseall]

Does that make him a racist?

You are a racist and then a voter, not t'uther way around.

 

[noseall]

One thing about the RWR, they are extremely gullible.

So which party are you gullible towards? You deny being a 'lefty' so you obviously will not be voting Labour.

Do you believe in Dave 'No socks' CaMoron and his multiple kitchens?

Or do you believe the Limpdems and their policies on........................?

Greens?

Poison Dwarf?

Or are you actually a UKIP voter but your incessant trollism and your cowardness prevents you from saying so?

Take your pick.

 

[Micilin]

Ukips Aussie style points system is being misunderstood by Ukip followers. They seem to think this means Australia has low immigration - which is not true. I've lived there and I can tell you the population is very similar to here except slightly different proportions of Nationalities. Australia has taken in large numbers of refugees over the years and on a population head-for-head basis currently has much higher net migration than the UK, AND its own figures estimate this increasing fairly substantially over the next 2 or 3 years. Just wanted to point this out.

Farage continually avoids questions on the detail of what he would use from the Australian system, despite lauding it.

This issue is all about the detail, not the extremes, if a workable solution is to be found.

 

[Micilin]

The Aussies stand up for themselves and their country. I remember a few years back when a boat load of refugees tried to hold Australia to ransom by threatening to throw their children overboard if they were not taken in. Australia's reply was 'Do it then.' Obviously they didn't.

Can you imagine if that happened here. The government departments would be falling over themselves to get them into Britain.

Oops, Squeaky, my turn to correct you, I believe.
See the danger of urban mythology, hearsay and half remembered incidents:

Two official inquiries found this week the accusations repeatedly made by Mr Howard and his defence and immigration ministers during campaigning for last year's general election were untrue.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/1822110.stm[/QUOTE]
and

An inquiry into allegations that asylum seekers trying to reach Australia had thrown their children overboard has found there was no evidence to support the claims.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/1819900.stm[/QUOTE]

Perhaps there is a lesson to be leant though, from this Aussie incident:
Politicians will say anything that looks remotely popular, even though it's completely untrue, during election campaigns.
Does it ring a bell with Nige's supporters: foreigners dying from Aids clogging up the health system, or words to that effect.

Well if that's untrue then I apologise. I always believed that to be true because I had seen the item on the BBC news. I apologise for not researching the story but not for the idea.

Fair play.

 

[jeds]

Ukips Aussie style points system is being misunderstood by Ukip followers. They seem to think this means Australia has low immigration - which is not true. I've lived there and I can tell you the population is very similar to here except slightly different proportions of Nationalities. Australia has taken in large numbers of refugees over the years and on a population head-for-head basis currently has much higher net migration than the UK, AND its own figures estimate this increasing fairly substantially over the next 2 or 3 years. Just wanted to point this out.

What is the general feeling in the country? Are the Aussies concerned about immigration? I do realise of course that it's a huge country and has plenty of space.

It's definitely a concern - particularly illegal immigration. Like us they have no idea how many there are but it's a big figure and rapidly increasing with no real prospect of getting in under control. It's been a while since I was there but my cousin was home at Christmas. (I say home - he's an Aussie citizen now so I suppose that's his home, but you know what I mean) From what he was telling me things sound just the same as here. Employment, housing, food banks, all the same problems. But as I said, head-for-head Aussie legal immigration is much higher than ours, without the illegals, so anybody who thinks a Ukip points system will solve all our problems is deluded.

 

[JBR]

ALL voters are gullible that's why they have an election campaign. Do you really believe what the Labour party spout? Do you believe what Russell Brand (The £9M socialist) says?

So, no! I don't believe that anyone who has right-of-centre views is any less or any more gullible than anyone else.

You're right. The majority of the British electorate are indeed gullible.
The polls I see on Sky News come out roughly at:
Conservative = 35%
Labour = 35%
UKIP = 15%

Bearing in mind what has happened over the last two administrations, the figures ought to be more along the lines of:
Conservative = 25%
Labour = 5%
UKIP = 55%

Incidentally, the same source (Sky) state that on the one hand UKIP is showing as around 15%, yet is predicted to gain only 2 (TWO) seats!

There's something wrong with our electoral system. As Joe keeps saying, we should have a much fairer PR system. FPTP favours perpetual Con - Lab governments.

 

[JBR]

One thing about the RWR, they are extremely gullible.

So which party are you gullible towards? You deny being a 'lefty' so you obviously will not be voting Labour.

Do you believe in Dave 'No socks' CaMoron and his multiple kitchens?

Or do you believe the Limpdems and their policies on........................?

Greens?

Poison Dwarf?

Or are you actually a UKIP voter but your incessant trollism and your cowardness prevents you from saying so?

Take your pick.

So you don't vote. That's your prerogative. However, you continue to refer to RWR which suggests that you lean to the Left whether you use your vote or not.

I suppose if there were a 'Sh*t-Stirring Party (the SSP), you'd vote for them!

 

[longdogs]

I suppose if there were a 'Sh*t-Stirring Party (the SSP), you'd vote for them!

A FLOATER

 

[longdogs]

Does that make him a racist?

You are a racist and then a voter, not t'uther way around.

So I will repeat the question. Is my Bangladeshi friend a racist because he will vote UKIP? Are you saying that only 'white' UKIP voters can be racist?

(He won't answer)

Personally, I take my hat off to him. He has the courage of his convictions. Unlike someone I could mention.

 

[RNReindeer]

Does that make him a racist?

You are a racist and then a voter, not t'uther way around.

So I will repeat the question. Is my Bangladeshi friend a racist because he will vote UKIP? Are you saying that only 'white' UKIP voters can be racist?

(He won't answer)

He already has answered!
Don't do a norcon and perpetually demonstrate your inability to grasp the facts.

Being a racist probably would influence your choice at election time, but being a UKIP supporter or any other party supporter does not mean the you are a racist. Suppose you just want out of EU, that's not a racist attitude. It's a choice.

Let me elucidate a little further, perhaps by using the smoker/non-smoker analogy:
Some people decide to change their views/attitudes. For some it's an epiphanic moment and they just change.
Others need time to adjust, but are determined and persist, although occasionally failing but trying again.
Others never do realise their errors and continue as normal.
Some do realise their poor behaviour/attitude but persist in some militant attitude decrying all who oppose them.
Other never were in the fist place.

Whereas with voting, you can vote one way this election but another way at the next election, your choice.
Some may suggest that you're gullible for believing the gospel of some politicians, but any way is your choice and you're entitled to it.

 

[longdogs]

Does that make him a racist?

You are a racist and then a voter, not t'uther way around.

So I will repeat the question. Is my Bangladeshi friend a racist because he will vote UKIP? Are you saying that only 'white' UKIP voters can be racist?

(He won't answer)

He already has answered!
Don't do a norcon and perpetually demonstrate your inability to grasp the facts.

Being a racist probably would influence your choice at election time, but being a UKIP supporter or any other party supporter does not mean the you are a racist. Suppose you just want out of EU, that's not a racist attitude. It's a choice.

Let me elucidate a little further, perhaps by using the smoker/non-smoker analogy:
Some people decide to change their views/attitudes. For some it's an epiphanic moment and they just change.
Others need time to adjust, but are determined and persist, although occasionally failing but trying again.
Others never do realise their errors and continue as normal.
Some do realise their poor behaviour/attitude but persist in some militant attitude decrying all who oppose them.
Other never were in the fist place.

Whereas with voting, you can vote one way this election but another way at the next election, your choice.
Some may suggest that you're gullible for believing the gospel of some politicians, but any way is your choice and you're entitled to it.

So in that case you accept that the fact that I have a Bangladeshi friend (who is also a customer) and the fact that I want out of Europe and the fact that I will be voting UKIP, does not make me a racist?

A simple yes or no would do nicely

 

[jockscott]

Just remember, you don't have to be White or British, to be racist. Racism is a double edged sword. It's just a shame the authorities don't apply the law equally.