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joe-90

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:15 pm Reply with quote

You haven't answered my questions. Let's say a boiler swap takes you two days - you are still making more money than your local GP. A window cleaner has overheads too - do you pay them fifty quid per window? What is this great big overhead you refer to that stands between profit and turnover? Come on - enlighten us. (he won't).
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:17 pm Reply with quote

joe I find it amazing if you were in business for 30years and still self employed that you can get it so wrong.

you are clearly trolling and being a pest. you would need to be an idiot to give the exact facts an figure to some clown over the internet on a public internet forum icon_eek.gif

my only conclusion is some people in the world believe working tradesman should live in hovels and be peasants.

there is no land of milk & honey in the plumbing and heating trade. only hard work and grief from some that believe we earn mega bucks icon_rolleyes.gif

I dont fit boilers 12 hours a day, 24/7, 365 days a year. only a complete moron believe that one install can reflex the total time and effort that goes in to run a business icon_evil.gif
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:22 pm Reply with quote

Makes no difference what you do on other days. How much do you charge a customer to swap a boiler in a day if that boiler costs you 750.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:24 pm Reply with quote

joe-90 wrote:
Makes no difference what you do on other days. How much do you charge a customer to swap a boiler in a day if that boiler costs you 750.


and that why it would be meaningless.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:27 pm Reply with quote

joe-90 wrote:
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You have a combi boiler swap. The average price quoted on this forum is around 2K. The average boiler being quoted for is around 750.

That leaves 1250 for a days work (and a short day at that).

So how much of that 1250 is taken up by overheads? Well? Travel? (A few pence). Insurance? (a few pence). Depreciation on tools? (A few pence) Come on, give us the low-down.


What about the low down on how you calculate the average quote on a forum that doesn't deal in quotes. Why don't you advise people how to fit instead of telling who should earn what because you're embarrased about the size of your c*ck::
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:33 pm Reply with quote

I'm not actually. icon_razz.gif icon_razz.gif icon_razz.gif icon_razz.gif
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:34 pm Reply with quote

mehran wrote:
joe-90 wrote:
Makes no difference what you do on other days. How much do you charge a customer to swap a boiler in a day if that boiler costs you 750.


and that why it would be meaningless.


What you mean is you can't answer without incriminating yourself. icon_rolleyes.gif
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:37 pm Reply with quote

no, I work it out, I need to charge more icon_lol.gif I am silting my own throat icon_cry.gif
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:38 pm Reply with quote

mehran wrote:
no, I work it out, I need to charge more icon_lol.gif I am silting my own throat icon_cry.gif


How much do you charge then? (Bet it's a secret).
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:39 pm Reply with quote

Joe, you're missing the point...Mehran is correct in that you price your time/work to take into account the fact that you can't always be working as you have to factor in time to travel, do the paperwork, training, whatever...as well as those slack times when there is just less work around.

I've recently had the experience of having a new boiler fitted (direct replacement for an old Baxi on an open vent system)...My issue was that the company that serviced the old boiler only 2 months ago (and said at that time it was in good condition) failed to spot an impending heat exchanger failure (fair enough), but then quoted me 450 + vat to supply the part that I could source elsewhere for 250 inc vat...Their (reasonable) 55/hr labour charge, though, was only for fitting what they supply...other folk where saying 80+vat per hour just to have a look and both were saying 5-6hrs to change the HE...
The same company then advised a new direct replacment boiler for 2175+vat suppy and fit...They estimated a day to do so.

I sourced a boiler (one of the models they suggested) for 700...which made the fitting cost 1800 approx...

I then tried to get a reasonable answer on here as to if this was a reasonable price and was told effectively to stop asking...(actually asked for boiler recommendations, too, and got no straightforward answer).

I found a chap who said he would do it for 300...he estimated 6 hrs work...In fact he spent about double that and I gave him 500 (even though he only asked for 300) as I thought that fair and it was STILL about half the price of the alternative quote.

Two other "business men" failed to turn up (as arranged) to view and quote.
Another three refused to even turn up unless it was a definite job and another one only wanted to do the repair job (he was the 80/hr man)...

I FULLY understand about overheads, slack time, etc...BUT I don't expect to be charged 300/hr for anything...much less fitting a boiler! Even if it had taken the original company 12hrs (instead of the 6-7 they estimated) that would still have been 150/hr!!!

PS: and that is assuming they paid full retail price for the boiler (highly unlikely)
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 5:20 pm Reply with quote

I make a good living a a heating installer, what's the problem? If we make loads of money and its easy Joe, why don't you retrain? I would if I could see another trade made loads more cash than my own, and was pretty simple!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 6:24 pm Reply with quote

The way I see it joe 90 , you should be grateful to plumbing heating & gas installers ! they have kept you warm , provided you with sanitation , drinking water , cooking facilities ect ect ect ! Not only that but we are now involved in saving the planet from global warming ! and We have kept all the pubs open for you !

All for a pittance to , we are all honest , & therefore by definition poor !
Its the likes of us who will get this country out of its current economic problems , in fact we could run the country & should be ! salt of the earth joe , there is no problem or subject that we cannot advise upon !

I am there fore dissapointed , very dissapointed at you attitude Joe 90 all this talk of price fixing , magic circles ect ! get on board joe what say you a ?? because I know that with in you there is a Plumber trying to get out !

Ask not what your country can do for you ? ask what you can do for your country joe 90
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 6:26 pm Reply with quote

Mugging the public doesn't appeal. Anyway I do ok buying and reselling property. Do ALL the work myself. icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 6:28 pm Reply with quote

transam wrote:
The way I see it joe 90 , you should be grateful to plumbing heating & gas installers ! they have kept you warm , provided you with sanitation , drinking water , cooking facilities ect ect ect ! Not only that but we are now involved in saving the planet from global warming ! and We have kept all the pubs open for you !

All for a pittance to , we are all honest , & therefore by definition poor !
Its the likes of us who will get this country out of its current economic problems , in fact we could run the country & should be ! salt of the earth joe , there is no problem or subject that we cannot advise upon !

I am there fore dissapointed , very dissapointed at you attitude Joe 90 all this talk of price fixing , magic circles ect ! get on board joe what say you a ?? because I know that with in you there is a Plumber trying to get out !

Ask not what your country can do for you ? ask what you can do for your country joe 90


The only people that do anything for this country are the exporters. Your contribution (like mine) is zero.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 6:30 pm Reply with quote

joe-90 wrote:

How much do you charge then? (Bet it's a secret).


Your severely limited intellectual capacity clearly will not permit you to understand the point of this forum. On here every contributor's role is confined to offering free advice (not that there's means to charge for it) which makes it a charitable cause. What they do away from that doesn't colour the fact that OP's benefit from their knowledge without their charges. To continue to use it as a pricing stick is an insult to people who are selfless enough to share useful information.

You only pay for what you're too incompetent or too lazy to do. In which case learn, pay or do without. Don't expect others to compromise their living to compensate for your inadequacies in life.
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