Toilet Flush Problem

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Hi all,

I need some help if possible please.

The story starts with a broken toilet handle................

So we pull on the metal hook for now until we get new handle.
The white stick inside with the hook on it had snapped & disappeared down inside the mechanism.

Went next door to local building supplies & they give me a complete new syphon mechanism & Ballcock mechanism, as the existing one was very old & mucky.

So, I turn water off & drain the cistern down by hand.

Take cistern off & replace the whole lot of the insides with new stuff.
This includes a bung where the overflow pipe used to be, as the new syphon thing has built in overflow into the pan.
Also came with a push button rather than a handle.

Turn water on.

Manually lift ballcock & fill toilet up.

Flush.

Oh, it fills ALL the way up to the top, then slowly drains away.
It doesn't remove waste in the loo either, like toilet paper etc as the suction is not strong enough.
Not good.

So I think we may have a blockage.

Try hot water down the pan first.
Doesn't fix it.

Tried shoving a coat hanger down the pan & into the waste pipe.
Doesn't fix it.

Tried caustic soda down the pan with hot water.
Again, hasn't solved it.

So thinking maybe we don't have a blockage.

Go back next door to building supplies.

They give me a new syphon that looks similar to the old one I used to have.

Drain down cistern again.
Remove syphon & replace with another new syphon, with rectangle plunger as like old one.
Fit new handle.

Try flush again, same as before.
Fills all the way to the top of the pan, then slowly drains away.
Again, it doesn't remove waste in the loo either, like toilet paper etc as the suction is not strong enough.

So, now still thinking we may have a blockage somewhere.
But where?

Anyone have any ideas what else I can do?

I can provide pics of the new syphon that used to be in the loo, & the one that is in there now if required.

Any help or suggestions are greatly appreciated.

Sorry for a long, first post, but thought it better to fill you in on what has happened & what I have tried.

MAny thanks,

Pete
 
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Photos would be good.

Search on here for syphonic toilets. They need a special fitting in the outlet of the cistern to work.

Ted
 
Photos would be good.

Search on here for syphonic toilets. They need a special fitting in the outlet of the cistern to work.

Ted

Thanks Ted,

I'll get some pics up shortly.

I've been hanging me arše out the window for a week :LOL:

Cheers,

Pete
 
If you call someone out, make sure you get a fixed price and not an hourly rate.

PM me. ;)

Andy. hertsdrainage.
 
Photos would be good.

Search on here for syphonic toilets. They need a special fitting in the outlet of the cistern to work.

Ted
Ok, thanks Ted.

I'll have a look.
Still got the old stuff we took off, so I'll have a look at that & see if we have a similar thing on the new fitting.

Pics as promised......................

Toilet
Toilet.jpg


Toilet Showing Inlet Pipe & Waste Pipe
ToiletShowingInletPipeWastePipe.jpg


Toilet Showing Overflow Pipe
ToiletShowingOverflowPipe.jpg


Overhead View Of Cistern Complete With New Syphon & Ballcock
NewBallcockSyphonMechanism.jpg


Side View Of Cistern Complete With New Syphon & Ballcock
SideViewOfNewBallcockSyphonMechanism.jpg


View Of Pan With Normal Water Level (Debris In Pan Is From Removing Cistern)
PanNormalWaterLevel.jpg


View Of Pan With Water Level When Being Flushed
PanFlushingWaterLevel.jpg



Many thanks,

Pete
 
Have you got a photo of the old syphon that you took out? That is where the extra piece to.make it work will be?
 
deffo a double trap syphonic pan - and as mentioned - the piece you must have - the " bomb" is probably in the old syphon - it`s a small device that causes the suction as the water flushes past it - and it`s rubber washer needs to be in good shape :idea:
 
If you call someone out, make sure you get a fixed price and not an hourly rate.

PM me. ;)

Andy. hertsdrainage.

If you call someone out, make sure you get a fixed price and not an hourly rate.

PM me. ;)

Andy. hertsdrainage.
same county - plumber who knows his way round drains /wc`s. Who you gonna call ;)


:LOL: Nice plug guys :D

Well, I'll give it a go myself & if not, I'll have to toss a coin then :D
 
Photos would be good.

Search on here for syphonic toilets. They need a special fitting in the outlet of the cistern to work.

Ted

If you still have the old syphon I'd do a bit of diy and change the washer on that and re-fit it - or try this site http://www.brokenbog.com/[/QUOTE]

Have you got a photo of the old syphon that you took out? That is where the extra piece to.make it work will be?

deffo a double trap syphonic pan - and as mentioned - the piece you must have - the " bomb" is probably in the old syphon - it`s a small device that causes the suction as the water flushes past it - and it`s rubber washer needs to be in good shape :idea:


Thanks for all your help chaps.

I'll dig out the old syphon & see what is on it then.

I'll keep you posted.

Thanks all,

Pete
 

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