render? plaster? insulated pb?

[mnemonix]

I understand the use of lime render externally to allow the walls to breath, just as we should not paint and seal brickwork with non porous paint (as well as the material benefit of its softness and flexibility). I'm not sure about internally though where we have a different situation wrt moisture in the warm air. Modern houses are centrally heated, Victorian houses were not, so things change.

Also my concern with dry lining is that we are creating a space for interstitial condensation behind the plasterboard on the cold surface of the brickwork.

I'm happy to discuss the use of lime as long as it does not descend into insults, and the benefits and drawbacks of both traditional and modern methods are considered fairly on their merits.

 

[mnemonix]

I have to say I'm going round in circles here with conflicting advice, in this thread and the archives.

Perhaps I should say what I'm hoping to end up with: Something I stand a chance of achieving despite being an amateur with cheap and readily available materials, in a reasonable amount of time - I've been cooking on a camping stove in the living room for over a month already and I have a lot to do even once it's plastered.

It doesn't have to last another 100 years but I don't want it either falling off or going mouldy in the next 5 to 10 years - I think this suggests I need to avoid obvious pitfalls, but don't need to get involved in an esoteric debate about lime and the conservation of old buildings! Thanks again.

 

[stevethespreader]

Just some of the many layers before I hacked it off:

It wasn't like this all over, but these areas had the most layers visible! Bottom right, very lightweight grey speckly stuff (came off in huge sheets). Centre of the hole left, soft red, crumbly stuff. Some sand/cement, skim, polyfilla etc visible too.

blimey they chucked that on thick looks like bonding, it would have sucked all the moisture up in the kitchen like a sponge make sure all that is off, and also if the origonal render had cement in it go with a cement render, if the origonal specs of that house was sand and cement use sand and cement, theres no need to go changing things
"EDIT" the only thing that need changing is the layers of gypsum undercoat

FFS it's 100 years old it's done in Fin LIME you ******.!!!

mmm i thought they started using cement in the middle of the 19th century, also the op says he cant see lime rendering, you want to ease up with the insults as well,
mnemonix i have told you what i would do, your house is hardly cob or timber its red brick its up to you what you want to do now, just as an aside anything that dont involve lime peaps thinks is wrong he dont belong in our modern world, this is another post peaps has ruined with his vile mouth, if your lucky another spread may come on here and give you his oppinion, but if its not the same advice as peaps is giving he will also end up getting insulted so i wish you luck

 

[stevethespreader]

Just some of the many layers before I hacked it off:

It wasn't like this all over, but these areas had the most layers visible! Bottom right, very lightweight grey speckly stuff (came off in huge sheets). Centre of the hole left, soft red, crumbly stuff. Some sand/cement, skim, polyfilla etc visible too.

blimey they chucked that on thick looks like bonding, it would have sucked all the moisture up in the kitchen like a sponge make sure all that is off, and also if the origonal render had cement in it go with a cement render, if the origonal specs of that house was sand and cement use sand and cement, theres no need to go changing things
"EDIT" the only thing that need changing is the layers of gypsum undercoat

It's not all gypsum, note he lives in Notts, much red sand in notts. Lime render isn't always white. Stick to giving overskim advice.

you crack me up so far all your advice have been to rip down peoples ceilings that are perfectly good because your to scared to reskim or to scrape or steam perfectly good artex off because you to scared to skim and also to use lime in places where its not necessary, hardly words of wisdom from a spread of 23 years now is it?

 

[joe-90]

I'd hack it off and use insulated PB - those thick 9 inch walls will suck all the heat out of your room and cost you a fortune.

 

[peaps]

Just some of the many layers before I hacked it off:

It wasn't like this all over, but these areas had the most layers visible! Bottom right, very lightweight grey speckly stuff (came off in huge sheets). Centre of the hole left, soft red, crumbly stuff. Some sand/cement, skim, polyfilla etc visible too.

blimey they chucked that on thick looks like bonding, it would have sucked all the moisture up in the kitchen like a sponge make sure all that is off, and also if the origonal render had cement in it go with a cement render, if the origonal specs of that house was sand and cement use sand and cement, theres no need to go changing things
"EDIT" the only thing that need changing is the layers of gypsum undercoat

FFS it's 100 years old it's done in Fin LIME you ******.!!!

mmm i thought they started using cement in the middle of the 19th century, also the op says he cant see lime rendering, you want to ease up with the insults as well,
mnemonix i have told you what i would do, your house is hardly cob or timber its red brick its up to you what you want to do now, just as an aside anything that dont involve lime peaps thinks is wrong he dont belong in our modern world, this is another post peaps has ruined with his vile mouth, if your lucky another spread may come on here and give you his oppinion, but if its not the same advice as peaps is giving he will also end up getting insulted so i wish you luck

Now this is what makes a plasterer. Knowing what needs what and thats what set real plasterers apart from people like you who think but don't think.

I reply to post if it involves lime, no conspiracy.

I think you will find that lime goes back far and beyond the 19th son.

"HISTORY OF LIME IN MORTAR

The first mortars were made from mud or clay. These materials were used because of availability and low cost. The Egyptians utilized gypsum mortars to lubricate the beds of large stones when they were being moved into position(ref. i). However, these matrials did not perform well in the presence of high levels of humidity and water.

It was discovered that limestone, when burnt and combined with water, produced a material that would harden with age. The earliest documented use of lime as a construction material was approximately 4000 B.C. when it was used in Egypt for plastering the pyramids(ref. ii). "

http://www.graymont.com/applications_history_lime_mortar.shtml

EWven gypsum was used before lime but lime took over because gypsum plaster didn't do well.

This house was plastered in lime and the op said he wasn't sure what it would look like if it was on the wall.

So have a good read up then come back.

 

[peaps]

I'd hack it off and use insulated PB - those thick 9 inch walls will suck all the heat out of your room and cost you a fortune.

I have to agree in this case, easy for him to do as a novice also.

 

[peaps]

Just some of the many layers before I hacked it off:

It wasn't like this all over, but these areas had the most layers visible! Bottom right, very lightweight grey speckly stuff (came off in huge sheets). Centre of the hole left, soft red, crumbly stuff. Some sand/cement, skim, polyfilla etc visible too.

blimey they chucked that on thick looks like bonding, it would have sucked all the moisture up in the kitchen like a sponge make sure all that is off, and also if the origonal render had cement in it go with a cement render, if the origonal specs of that house was sand and cement use sand and cement, theres no need to go changing things
"EDIT" the only thing that need changing is the layers of gypsum undercoat

It's not all gypsum, note he lives in Notts, much red sand in notts. Lime render isn't always white. Stick to giving overskim advice.

you crack me up so far all your advice have been to rip down peoples ceilings that are perfectly good because your to scared to reskim or to scrape or steam perfectly good artex off because you to scared to skim and also to use lime in places where its not necessary, hardly words of wisdom from a spread of 23 years now is it?

Oh dear me, show me one post where I have adviced lime when it wasn't needed. I can't be arsed with going into the pro and cons of over skim. It's something I leave to cowboys.

 

[stevethespreader]

[I think you will find that lime goes back far and beyond the 19th son.

".

haha your the ****** you wanna learn to read i said cement was used in the middle of the 19th century not lime so no need for the lime lecture i wont let you twist my post http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland_cement#History
19th century it is numnuts

 

[stevethespreader]

mmm i thought they started using cement in the middle of the 19th century, [/quote]and i quote

 

[stevethespreader]

Oh dear me, show me one post where I have adviced lime when it wasn't needed.

how about this one ? youve already agreed to joes boarding advice so that makes your posts and CONFLICTING advice a load of rubbish, you really should take a good read(if you can read that is) b4 you post anything , a spread of 23 years ? who cant reskim artex and wants to stick lime on everything? your a joke

 

[stevethespreader]

over skim. It's something I leave to cowboys.

here that boys? if you have ever reskimmed a wall or a ceiling peaps reckons your a cowboy

 

[marshman]

Ha-ha what a first post to read when I come back an look in after all these months lol.
my tuppence, I'd render it all up flush an square then stick insulated plasterboard over it,
How ?,
lay the adhesives on the p/board with a notch tilers trowel an stick it that way.
why ?, I had to use it here, my own home under b/control, it sounds much better when knocked,
its made one hell of a different to how warm my cottage is, and its much better to fix through,
no gap to deal with.

Nice to see your still here steve.

 

[stevethespreader]

Nice to see your still here steve.

cheers m8 welcome back marshman

 

[peaps]

[I think you will find that lime goes back far and beyond the 19th son.

".

haha your the ****** you wanna learn to read i said cement was used in the middle of the 19th century not lime so no need for the lime lecture i wont let you twist my post http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland_cement#History
19th century it is numnuts

If you would care to read up on the history of lime mortar you will find that cement was used only to add to lime..... I will not spoon feed you.

With the advent of hydraulic lime cement was not needed since it was used to set none hydraulic lime....

Cement has been around thousands of years and was used only as an addition to lime mortar to plaster British houses even after the second world war!

You do the math