Do I bother or should I ignore? No RCD protection.

Or you could, as the HSE suggests, take a risk based approach to it and decide given the use and occupant of the house what provides the bigger risk.

The increase in the occupant's safety by provision of the RCD protection that the occupant cannot reset because of access difficulties or the reduction in safety to the occupant if it trips and causes electrically operated equipment to fail!

Bilnd obediance to the non statutory requirements of BS7671 is not something that will always make things safer, a risk based decision will.
 
Another thought occurs to me ...
Should the label, as well as saying that it's for a specific use, also specify that it's not RCD protected ? .... I'm thinking that when (hopefully not for some time yet) the occupier "moves on", the first thing a new owner is likely to do is remove all the adaptations. So the intercom PSU would get removed, the point of the label not seen, and then the user is left with a general purpose socket that they may assume is RCD protected like the rest.
If it were the case that just this one socket was not RCD protected, then I would agree with you that such a label would be 'helpful' to a future occupant (although I don't think 'required'). However, if I understand correctly, (and contrary to what you are suggesting) none of the sockets are protected, in which I can't see that labelling just one of them as not protected would achieve anything much!

Kind Regards, John
 
Or you could, as the HSE suggests, take a risk based approach to it and decide given the use and occupant of the house what provides the bigger risk. The increase in the occupant's safety by provision of the RCD protection that the occupant cannot reset because of access difficulties or the reduction in safety to the occupant if it trips and causes electrically operated equipment to fail! Bilnd obediance to the non statutory requirements of BS7671 is not something that will always make things safer, a risk based decision will.
Indeed - although, in this case, I think it can even be made BS7671-compliant by addition of a simple label.

This particularly bit of 'BS7671-compliance' is (IMO), in any event, rather daft. BS7671 could be satisfied simply by using an RCD-protected socket for the newly added one but, given that BS7671 does not require RCD protection to be provided for all the other (existing) sockets, it arguably is not a requirement that is likely to achieve very much, or have a measurable effect on safety!

Kind Regards, John
 
If it were the case that just this one socket was not RCD protected, then I would agree with you that such a label would be 'helpful' to a future occupant (although I don't think 'required'). However, if I understand correctly, (and contrary to what you are suggesting) none of the sockets are protected, in which I can't see that labelling just one of them as not protected would achieve anything much!

Kind Regards, John
You are correct only sockets protected are kitchen and garage and as you have pointed out the risk of being without power and that would include heat should an RCD trip is greater than the risk of a shock so I have no intention of installing any further RCD protection.

If forced it would have to be auto resetting. Or one on each socket. Under the stairs is not accessible in a wheel chair.
 
... so I have no intention of installing any further RCD protection. If forced it would have to be auto resetting.
I know you often write about auto-resetting RCDs but, maybe naively, I am inclined to view the whole concept as diabolically dangerous for a domestic environment, aren't you? Auto-resetting may be all very well for nuisance trips (particularly in some industrial settings), but what when a human being is 'plugged into' the circuit?

Kind Regards, John
 
Reading the report it says it will not reset if the leakage still exists. At £350 each I will not be rushing out to buy one.
Maybe! It would obviously have to try to put some current through the leakage to find out whether it still existed, but maybe it does that with a current which is 'probably safe' (no current through a human being, particularly elderly ones, can be guaranteed to be 'safe').

Kind Regards, John
 
Social services have kindly paid for the intercom at my mothers door to be mains powered instead of battery.

The contractor arrived and fitted a 12vac transformer to replace the original 12vac transformer in spite of me telling them many times it needed 12vdc.

You lost me when you said that the contractor was swapping a 12V transformer for a 12V transformer. Was the original transformer battery operated?
 
Social services have kindly paid for the intercom at my mothers door to be mains powered instead of battery.

The contractor arrived and fitted a 12vac transformer to replace the original 12vac transformer in spite of me telling them many times it needed 12vdc.

You lost me when you said that the contractor was swapping a 12V transformer for a 12V transformer. Was the original transformer battery operated?
The original door bell had a 12VAC transformer but the new intercom door bell needed a 12VDC power supply and was temporary powered by 2 C type batteries. However the electricians arrived and instead of fitting a new DC power supply replaced the original 12VAC with another 12VAC transformer which clearly did not work. They returned and re-fitted batteries while they got a DC power supply. However there suppliers could not get the CLOSPSU recommended so selected a standard switched mode power supply built into a 13A Plugtop similar to those used to charge a phone. To be fair the recommended one also was a 13A plug in unit.

This is where the problem started as clearly a 13A socket was required to plug it into. This means of course any other item can also be plugged in although with a B6 MCB it would need to be low power.

To begin with I did not think about it but then looked at old transformer and realised it was a Class II device so wondered about the earth connection. However plugging in the ELI tester gave a healthy 0.26 ohms so clearly the earth was connected. Then I looked at the B6 MCB and realised it had not moved. So unlikely it was on the RCD side of the consumer unit. The RCD tester confirmed this to be the case when the RCD failed to trip on all ranges of the tester.

The 12 volt wires were connected with two red crimps a real Heath Robinson affair and the wire left as it was when supplied with a plastic coated wire keeping all the excess cable neat. I want to find a Telephone wire connector box to tidy that up.

The area beside the stairs is handy to store the mobility scooter or electric wheel chair and I had considered using a double adaptor on the new 13A socket. Since there is no RCD protection other than kitchen on sockets I still may use the socket. It would have been so easy to have fitted a RCD socket don't know why they didn't fit one!

I have to try and work out my dad's wiring I am told as I was just one year old when they moved into the new house that there were just 5 sockets. (Dad was proud of it as granddads house only had 2 [15 amp round pin]) I assume therefore all the others are spurs and spurs from spurs so in theory just 5 RCD FCU's should give all sockets RCD protection however also wired in rubber and my son and I want to re-wire. Some cables already pulled in when dad was not looking and with no one living upstairs we can remove floor boards for an extended time. But at the moment sons house has no ceiling and is also being rewired so don't want to start on my mothers house before sons is finished.

However getting a new non protected socket makes me feel one step forward and two steps backwards.

My mother is not the best with new things. I had to go down yesterday as she had pressed button on phone putting answer machine on and she could not then get to phone in time before answer phone cut in. I am worried she would not know how to reset a RCD. She is 88 so have to expect these things. Dad died earlier this year and it's been a busy time.

When the electricians come I have to go down there so for less than £20 to fit a RCD socket is it really worth the time and energy to watch some one else do the work? Quicker to DIY and I never saw any meters so I would assume he does not have any. Mine may not be calibrated but I have got them and they do work.
 
I think you will find many firms employ a guy to do most of the testing this has two advantages one only one set of test gear for a group of electricians and two the electricians are being inspected by a different guy to who did the job so they are less likely to cheat.

However with very small jobs it is tempting not to send the guy around to test.

With the case in question had the originally planed work been done there would have been nothing to test. Only when instead of fitting a simple Class II transformer a socket was fitted did anything need testing so would guess as a result it was not on the testing guys schedule.

I have after thinking about it and listening to what has been said decided to do nothing.
 

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