Taken at face value the above suggests that you hate Muslims. Had you written 'so called Muslims' or 'Islamists' in place of 'so-called RoP' then it would be clear you hate Islamists, not Muslims. What was the intended meaning? And as for your use of the term r a g h e a d, well that is a racially offensive term, which I am sure you know. Go on, bleat loudly about how I am suppressing your free speech by pointing that out.
Is it really a question of guilt or innocence
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Taken at face value the above suggests that you hate Muslims. Had you written 'so called Muslims' or 'Islamists' in place of 'so-called RoP' then it would be clear you hate Islamists, not Muslims. What was the intended meaning? And as for your use of the term r a g h e a d, well that is a racially offensive term, which I am sure you know. Go on, bleat loudly about how I am suppressing your free speech by pointing that out.
To be honest, it sounds like you are the one doing the bleating!
What's your point though? Shaker has said (in an interview) He was in Afghanistan to make things better for his family. (his words, not mine) Did your cousin's driving for aid convoys, make anything better for his own family?
And your point is? Or is this more woolly thinking:
"Well, he was going to a foreign country, there were some extremist groups in that country, therefore he must have been going to work with the extremist groups. After all he is a Muslim and foreign, and that's what they do innit guv. "
Only recently there was a case of an African American who has been in prison in America for over 20 years for a murder he did not commit. Weeks after he was taken into custody, a robbery occurred with the same vehicle and modus operandi. The person who committed that robbery was imprisoned for the murder before the other man was wrongfully convicted for the same murder. A judge said that there was a tendency in America to not care if a black person was innocent, since as a group they are considered criminals, so if you lock one up for a crime he did not commit, it does not matter, as he will have committed other crimes, you just failed to catch him. Incidentally a British newspaper, I think it was the Sun, was instrumental in whipping up a storm against the wrong suspect, helping to get him convicted. They had some nice self righteous stories.
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My whole, point (if you care to even read his interview with the BBC) is , who goes to Taliban held Afghanistan, to make a better life for his family? Would you go there to make a better life for your family? What's the wages like in Afghanistan? What's the living conditions like? What's the benefits system like? What's the social life like? What's the shopping like?
Tell me, please explain to all of us how he could make life better for his family in Afghanistan (Taliban held at that) than they already enjoyed here in the UK ?
As much as I'm sure WWT is probably ok if met in person - you won't win.
Await the deflective reply.......
I'm expecting a rather clever reply from WWT. Something along the lines of "Why can't the rest of us see that Shaker is so, totally innocent (because he claims he is) After all, he only went to Taliban held Afghanistan to make a better life for his family.
The whole quote was (i took) a reference to the spurious comparison of driving an aid truck for a fortnight, and shipping yourself, wife, and kids, into a (at best) lawless region.
And wasn't his wife pregnantat the time, as well?
Woolly thinking? I think that is the best that could be attributed to SA.
As much as I'm sure WWT is probably ok if met in person - you won't win.
Await the deflective reply.......
I'm expecting a rather clever reply from WWT. Something along the lines of "Why can't the rest of us see that Shaker is so, totally innocent (because he claims he is) After all, he only went to Taliban held Afghanistan to make a better life for his family.
Unlike you I don't claim to be able to judge someone based on a few online quotes. And unlike you I don't consider someone guilty because of preconceived prejudices. SA should have been tried, or released. I don't have a clue if SA has committed crimes, and the UK and US governments have admitted that they have no evidence against him.
By the way, the Taliban was the group that was supported by the US in the successful fight against the Russian occupation. It is quite possible someone would want to go to Afghanistan, to start a new life, if they wanted to live in an Islamic state. Lot's of Jews left wealthy Western countries to live in a hot, arid and poor country that became Israel. They took their families. They were not terrorists, although some did fight, sometimes as terrorists, against the British occupation. Many Western Jews still go to Israel, to live in the occupied territories, not the nicest of places.
You and one or two others here are so arrogant to think that you can know why someone with a different background would do something. You have no qualms letting your prejudices lose, and judging others without the handicap of requiring evidence.
Do you remember how in the past some innocent people had to go into hiding when rumours started that they were paedophiles? Trial by online hate campaign. Evidence, who needs that?
Guantanamo Bay was a fishing trip, round up anyone suspicious, along with anyone else the bounty hunters could grab, and torture them in the hope that some are guilty. Some were guilty, many weren't. GB has done massive damage to us, it has recruited many young and gullible people to the fruit cake cause. It gave carte blanche to other countries to commit similar barbaric acts, and it sullied our image in the world.
A UK tabloid put up a reward for information, and then launched a hate campaign against the man who was subsequently wrongly convicted. Whether they were instrumental I know not, but they certainly preferred to condemn first, ask questions later, or not at all. I'm cynical enough to think that some UK tabloids do not care about honesty. Hacking seems to prove that.
Just to put matters straight, I think I've been misquoted in the above.
