Who voted 'out'?

[EFLImpudence]

Having noticed that, during the run-up to the referendum, when news programmes interviewed people in the street a lot of people who were obviously not native British were against the EU and predominantly because of (further) immigration.
At the time I thought this odd and rather selfish of them but did not give it much credence as I put it down to the media's reporting methods.

However, since the result there are people on here who have similar views and have said they have recent non-British forebears. Now Sooey has joined the discussion with similar views.

Could it be that the vote was lost because of the views of people who are recent (since the war ?) arrivals who wish to prevent similar people enjoying the same chances that they had.


Would other vehement anti-EU posters like to say whether they fit the description or, indeed, if they do not?

 

[Deleted member 63160]

I truly believe that in this scenario people will have voted simply for what suits them. British/EU passport holder of Turkish heritage may well vote stay in so he can ship his family over eventually. Polish bloke who has no one to bring over and who has done quite nicely here for the last how ever many years may think voting out will enhance the standard of his hospital care as he gets older??

 

[JohnD]

Don't you think that some of them voted for what they were told, even though it was untrue?

 

[EFLImpudence]

Undoubtedly - some - but which ones?,

I find it odd that immigrants being told immigration, i.e. them, was bad would vote, albeit naively, to end it.

 

[sooey]

However, since the result there are people on here who have similar views and have said they have recent non-British forebears. Now Sooey has joined the discussion with similar views.

Could it be that the vote was lost because of the views of people who are recent (since the war ?) arrivals who wish to prevent similar people enjoying the same chances that they had.

You seem to be assuming that I am a recent arrival. I think most have non British forbears if you go back far enough.

 

[JohnD]

I find it odd that immigrants being told immigration, i.e. them, was bad would vote, albeit naively, to end it.

Pull up the ladder.

 

[EFLImpudence]

You seem to be assuming that I am a recent arrival. I think most have non British forbears if you go back far enough.

I have earlier been told that you are of Oriental descent.

I did say recent (since the war ?) arrivals.

 

[ericmark]

The question as always is if when native British living abroad were not allowed to vote and non natives living in the UK were allowed to vote was the vote representative of what the British want. Had the result been 60/40 either way then likely even if a fair system of voting was used the result would be the same. But with just 2% in fact less, then any errors in the system could have altered the vote.

I saw campaigning on the day of voting which was also against the rules. I would say it is just too close we need to re-vote before it is signed. Specially since it now seems a lot of lies were told, we were not told before the event it could take 10 years to leave, we were not told before the vote that even if we leave we will still need to pay into the EU. There are so many things were were hood winked with.

 

[sooey]

Don't you think that some of them voted for what they were told, even though it was untrue?

I find it odd that remainers can pull up any reason they can think of to disparage the other sides votes, without once realising that those reasons can equally be applied to their own side.
This being one small example..
Fookin hilarious really.

 

[JohnD]

The question as always is if when native British living abroad were not allowed to vote and non natives living in the UK were allowed to vote was the vote representative of what the British want.

So when the rules were:
"British, Irish and Commonwealth citizens aged 18 or over who are resident in the UK or Gibraltar will be eligible to vote. UK citizens resident overseas will also be eligible to vote, provided they have been registered to vote at a UK address in the last 15 years."

You mean you think the rules should have been changed to prevent Irish and Commonwealth citizens voting.

 

[Deleted member 63160]

Long after we're out of the EU, done, dusted, doing great, there will still be those in GD with their heads in the sand, talking about how we'll be rejoining Europe.

 

[sooey]

You seem to be assuming that I am a recent arrival. I think most have non British forbears if you go back far enough.

I have earlier been told that you are of Oriental descent.

I did say recent (since the war ?) arrivals.

My granddad came over from China on a boat before the first world war. He married an English woman, they had kids, who had kids, I'm one of them.
So I am part Chinese if you like. But I'm a born and bred scouser, whether that makes me English or not is another argument.
Tell you one thing though, when China takes over the world it will be Mr sooey to you fckers.

 

[Deleted member 63160]

You're 100% British mate. We are all of some other descent at some point in history seeing as man evolved from Africa or the middle east I guess.

 

[ericmark]

Britain was attached to Europe when the ice age raged and would have been too high up and too cold for any land based animals to live here which includes humans, so as the ice retreaded this land was occupied, and since then Europe and British people have invaded each other many times both with out and out wars and with slower changes. The Italians brought over people from all the Roman lands, and William when he killed Harold already had land in France so there was a free passage between the two lands, the German and British kings and queens are related so again Russian and Germans have been going to and from this land for 100's of years.

There was a huge change to being British with Margaret Thatcher until then if you were born here then you were British, she changed those rules, so being born here no longer gives you a right of abode. But also before MT the Falklands inhabitants did not have a right of abode, now they do, so swings and roundabouts.

However for some one born of British parents and grand parents and great grand parents in Britain and lived here until they were 20 when they moved with the freedom of movement to German not being allowed to vote on if that freedom of moment should continue must be seen as flawed and unfair.

 

[JohnD]

"UK citizens resident overseas will also be eligible to vote, provided they have been registered to vote at a UK address in the last 15 years.""

So you think that 15 years is not long enough?