Extending light wires

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Hi every one. I have put up a new light in my lounge however it sits too high and I want to lower it. Is it neccesary to run new cables and turn it into a big job or is it permissable to extend the existing wires using a junction box which would be hidden in the wall once the light has been moved down?
 
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I assume we are talking about a wall light.
Yes it is permitted to extend the cable with a wall. But the method of the joint must be one of a maintenance free method and be enclosed to prevent any potential electrical contact to live conductors. There are number of methods that can be used to comply to this regulation, but I would tend to replace the length of cable myself. Also there will be regulation concerning permitted safe zones of the new cable and any newly installed cable should comply to the regulations concern RCD protection or protection given to the run of cable, that allows RCD protection to be excluded.
 
Hi every one. I have put up a new light in my lounge however it sits too high and I want to lower it. Is it neccesary to run new cables and turn it into a big job or is it permissable to extend the existing wires using a junction box which would be hidden in the wall once the light has been moved down?
The ideal solution is obviously to run new cables. However, the cables could be extended (e.g. by crimping, which an electrician could easily do). Ordinary junction boxes which are inaccessible (e.g. 'hidden in the wall') are not permitted. However, if it is a hollow wall, you could theoretically use a 'maintenance free' junction box (I personally would not be happy with such a box 'plastered in' to a solid wall) - but most would probably regard that as a pretty poor practice.

Kind Regards, John
 
However, the cables could be extended (e.g. by crimping, which an electrician could easily do).
Depends on the type of cable.

Soldering (properly) is an acceptable method, which an electrician should be able to easily do.
 
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Depends on the type of cable. Soldering (properly) is an acceptable method, which an electrician should be able to easily do.
True - that's why I wrote "e.g. crimping" (which, as you know, is not my favourite technique!).

Kind Regards, John
 
However, if it is a hollow wall, you could theoretically use a 'maintenance free' junction box (I personally would not be happy with such a box 'plastered in' to a solid wall) - but most would probably regard that as a pretty poor practice.
If I recall correctly, the original specification for the Ashley/Hager MF type junction boxes, prohibited them from being buried within a solid wall/floor. So not just bad practise (Disclaimer:but other MF junction box manufactures may take a different approach or Ashley/Hager may have changed theirs?)
 
If I recall correctly, the original specification for the Ashley/Hager MF type junction boxes, prohibited them from being buried within a solid wall/floor. So not just bad practise (Disclaimer:but other MF junction box manufactures may take a different approach or Ashley/Hager may have changed theirs?)
If you read carefully what I wrote (and you quoted) (i.e. temporarily ignore the bit in brackets), it was the burying of an MF JB in a hollow wall that I said that most people would have regarded as 'bad practice'. The bit in brackets indicates that I would not even think of burying one in a solid wall, and I can quite believe that the manufacturers did/do say that this should not be done.

Having said that, there is, of course, no longer any regulatory compulsion to follow manufacturer's instructions!

Kind Regards, John
 
Thanks for the answers. I've experience with vehicle wiring and own the relevant correct tools for crimping and soldering. The lights are wall lights in the living room.
 
Thanks for the answers. I've experience with vehicle wiring and own the relevant correct tools for crimping and soldering. The lights are wall lights in the living room.
Fair enough. As a statement of the obvious .... if you are going to crimp or solder and then bury those joints in a wall, you need to make sure that all the conductors are adequately insulated (from each other and from the surroundings).

Kind Regards, John
 
Hi John. I was going to use heat shrink on each individual wire as a matter of course for sure. Thanks for your help.
 
Hi John. I was going to use heat shrink on each individual wire as a matter of course for sure. Thanks for your help.
It's probably advisable to also put a further heat-shrink over the whole lot - thereby emulating the 'double insulation') (insulation plus sheath) that exists in intact cable.

Kind Regards, John
 
Thanks for the answers. I've experience with vehicle wiring and own the relevant correct tools for crimping and soldering. The lights are wall lights in the living room.
Do you also have, the correct to check once you have crimped the joints that the joint/circuit is satisfactory. I would also recommend the crimped joint is has heat shrink applied.
 
It's probably advisable to also put a further heat-shrink over the whole lot - thereby emulating the 'double insulation') (insulation plus sheath) that exists in intact cable.

Kind Regards, John
I often point out that the sheath is not proven as an insulator and therefore insulated and sheathed cables should not be confused with double insulated.

On the flipside I suppose it can be questioned what kind of mechanical protection properties are in a piece of insulating material, e.g. heatshrink. Does this provide adequate mechanical protection and is this proven? I am doubtful although it is a common method. It would probably be better in a suitable enclosure.
 
I often point out that the sheath is not proven as an insulator and therefore insulated and sheathed cables should not be confused with double insulated.
Yes, you do often point that out and, whilst it is strictly true, I have little doubt that the sheath does, in practice, provide effective insulation (at 230V).
On the flipside I suppose it can be questioned what kind of mechanical protection properties are in a piece of insulating material, e.g. heatshrink. Does this provide adequate mechanical protection and is this proven? I am doubtful although it is a common method.
You are undoubtedly correct in implying that a single layer of heat-shrink (some people use two, or even more) does not provide as much 'mechanical protection' as does the sheath of T+E cable, but I'm not so sure about it 'not being adequate' - since it's not really clear what, if any, 'mechanical protection' is required by a joint buried in a wall.

Kind Regards, John
 

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