Whirlpool Bath Help

[nkhan]

I purchased a Neston Whirlpool Bath/Spa from an internet store last year that are not around anymore it seems.
I am in now in the processing of fitting the bath but it seems i am missing parts, i know this is maybe my fault as i have left it so long before installation of the bath.

The bath i think has an aquafill system with a non-return valve and i have no parts for this and not sure what to do with this, i have had a plumber look and it seems they not sure what to do with it as i may have lost the instructions.

There is also 4 wires with it and not sure what to do with these as one has a connector and no where to go

 

[Madrab]

You are struggling aren't you, how many forums have you actually asked this question in?

I would assume that the aquafil system is the mechanism to autofill/mix the bath water from taps or a switch on top and it will be level/temp controlled. Seems there are only a couple of shops you can get them from for a couple of hundred squid - https://whirlpoolbathandspawarehous...-elite-system-12-jet-whirlpool-12-jet-air-spa. Maybe give them a call and see how they are put together.

If that's not an option then all you are looking for is a mechanism to fill the bath, a thermostatic mixer built onto/into the wall with a feed to that fill point would be my suggestion.

 

[nkhan]

I am struggling as not sure what this valve, from reading up on it

I think I need a set of flow valves but not sure where I could these as the shop I purchased are no longer trading by the looks of it

 

[Madrab]

Basically it is a system to allow you to fill the bath via the jets, rather than filling the bath via taps or similar. It comes as an added extra, it doesn't come with the bath as standard. You can buy them. Or just set up another type filling system.

A plumber with reasonable experience really shouldn't have an issue figuring this out for you. Time for another plumber methinks.

 

[nkhan]

Basically it is a system to allow you to fill the bath via the jets, rather than filling the bath via taps or similar. It comes as an added extra, it doesn't come with the bath as standard. You can buy them. Or just set up another type filling system.

A plumber with reasonable experience really shouldn't have an issue figuring this out for you. Time for another plumber methinks.

You maybe right about finding another plumber.

The current knows what it does but tell me I need a part with a electrical connection as 1 of the wire needs to fit to it as well.

I don't want him fitting the bath and it's no good.

Is it a of just getting a fitting and running both hot and cold water feed to this valve

 

[Madrab]

Without being there and checking what that male coupler is attached to, through the baths pipework, I couldn't be sure. If it's only connected to the whirlpool jets though then it should be as simple as connecting a mixed feed to it, again a good plumber should be able to trace and tell.

Without checking and tracing the cabling too then I couldn't be sure about the extra wire he is talking about. An educated guess would say to me there may be a solenoid that is fitted to turn the water on and off that would be connected to a switch but that would only be used if the aquafil system was used and more likely redundant if not. Again though, I couldn't be sure without being on site. Is there a point on the bath where this extra wiring loom is connected to and where this extra wire comes from?

 

[nkhan]

I have attached some images

Thank you for your help so far

I am in the Bedfordshire area, are you local

 

[Madrab]

You haven't shown where the extra wire comes from? The main black 3 core flex seem to be the main power for the pump/lights (img0458), the 2 loose cables (img0460), where do they come from? Again though without getting into the guts of the wiring boxes, it would be hard to give an educated guess. Maybe get an electrician to have a look?

 

[nkhan]

You haven't shown where the extra wire comes from? The main black 3 core flex seem to be the main power for the pump/lights (img0458), the 2 loose cables (img0460), where do they come from? Again though without getting into the guts of the wiring boxes, it would be hard to give an educated guess. Maybe get an electrician to have a look?

I understand the 2 black are for power for the pumps, the 2 white come from the grey box and 1 goes into connector and into the light for the bath.
The other spare with a connector goes to the other side not sure for what

Thank you for your help so far

 

[Madrab]

If the core colours in the white cable are the same as the lighting loom then I would assume it's for an optional extra that you can get, checking in the junction box may determine what it may supply as there are extra lights etc that are options for those baths.

Then tell you plumber to grow a pair or find one that is happy to work with basic wiring (there won't be anything too complicated for a whirpool bath) .... Plug the main cables into an FCU, check the switches etc, test all with a tester, if all good then fill it up, switch it on and if it runs, yup ... Bob's your favourite uncle .... sit back an enjoy

 

[nkhan]

If the core colours in the white cable are the same as the lighting loom then I would assume it's for an optional extra that you can get, checking in the junction box may determine what it may supply as there are extra lights etc that are options for those baths.

Then tell you plumber to grow a pair or find one that is happy to work with basic wiring (there won't be anything too complicated for a whirpool bath) .... Plug the main cables into an FCU, check the switches etc, test all with a tester, if all good then fill it up, switch it on and if it runs, yup ... Bob's your favourite uncle .... sit back an enjoy

Thanks for your help, what you do you recommend beds to be done about the non-return valve

Is ir a case of buying a adapter so the hot and cold can feed to it and to the bath taps if fitted

 

[Madrab]

I would assume this non return valve (NRV) will be to ensure that there is no backflow through that fill point when the bath jets are running. All you would need then is a double check valve on that inlet, not an NRV as it needs CAT3 protection. I'd pop a 1/2" female compression elbow on that coupler, small piece of pipe then the double check valve then whatever mains hot and cold is going to fill the bath. If you're not going to use that fill point and just have a normal wall mounted tap and mixer then just cap that off.

Again though, a good plumber should sort all this out for you, I wouldn't recommend this to be done as a DIY install. There's too much working around that could go wrong for a non experienced person IMO.

 

[nkhan]

Just an update

Went with a picture to a local plumbing shop and they guy told me looking at the picture that this valve may not be a return valve.
And advise to buy a coupler and t piece and set of flow valves for hot and cold and carry on.

 

[Doggit]

Is the bath you have, the same as that in the link Madrab supplied; have you contacted them for any advice, as theirs may be similar enough to the one you have.

Does your model have an inline water heater to maintain the temperature, because if not, then it's possible that the inlet is designed to take in more hotwater to maintain the temperature. As there's only one inlet, then it's possibly designed to be fed by a thermostatic valve fitted to the hot and cold water, so a good plumber should have no problem with the setup, and as Madrab suggest, it just needs a check valve to stop any pottential backflow. If you can't find where the spare cables go, then you may have a part missing, or it may be for a possible upgrade. Here's a link to another bath that may give you a few clues though

Or you follow his suggestion of capping it off.

 

[Madrab]

Went with a picture to a local plumbing shop and they guy told me looking at the picture that this valve may not be a return valve

I can almost guarantee that it isn't a NRV. It's just a coupler that's been fitted from the plastic pipe to allow a feed to be connected.

That being said, can you take a picture down into the brass with a light shining in to show us the internals?