Universal Credit is madness

[vinty]

All politicians make promises to spend money on certain groups in order to get their votes,Jeremy Corbyn is at it as well.
You don't seem to have any problems in principle with bribing the electorate it is just who gets the bribes is your problem.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

All politicians make promises to spend money on certain groups in order to get their votes,Jeremy Corbyn is at it as well.
You don't seem to have any problems in principle with bribing the electorate it is just who gets the bribes is your problem.

The bribe that is under discussion was not to a specific group of individuals. It was a deal with one of the NI political parties. Thereby, potentially increasing the popularity of one NI political party over the others.

... the DUP/Conservative deal is in breach of the 1998 Good Friday agreement under which the government promised to exercise its power in Northern Ireland “with rigorous impartiality on behalf of all the people in the diversity of their identities and traditions”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...deal-crowdfunded-challenge-reaches-high-court

It would appear that the UK government failed on this aspect.
We await the outcome of the court case.

 

[Notch7]

We await the outcome of the court case.

OUTCOME:
In a written submission to the court, James Eadie QC for the government argued that the criminal law of bribery does not apply to a confidence and supply agreement between political parties.

"The allegation that the agreement entails public expenditure which is unlawful is misconceived because the expenditure contemplated by the agreement will have appropriate parliamentary authorisation," he wrote.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-41759040

 

[EFLImpudence]

Ooooh. That's lucky.

 

[Notch7]

Ooooh. That's lucky.

 

[Notch7]

You're thinking of Kensington.

A few million to subsidise an Opera festival while cutting back on the cladding for Grenfell.

I dont think I am:

http://slippedisc.com/2017/06/times-shocker-grenfell-tower-council-lost-money-on-opera/

 

[Notch7]

I resent a politician using a billion of the citizens money to buy the votes necessary to prop up her unpopular minority government

As you mention jt at every opportunity, it would appear to more like a chip on ones shoulder

I am far from alone in this view

Thats true, you and the rest of the Corbyn fan club would have done a deal given a chance

 

[JohnD]

Notch's meaning (if any) is elusive.

Perhaps he is seeking to deny that Kensington council spent millions on an opera festival.

Perhaps he is seeking to deny that they cut back on the Grenfell cladding.

Which is it you seek to deny, notch?

 

[Notch7]

Perhaps he is seeking to deny that Kensington council spent millions on an opera festival.

Perhaps he is seeking to deny that they cut back on the Grenfell cladding

You didnt say that, you said they spent millions WHILE cutting back........

Which was a lie:

But it’s not true. Opera Holland Park has been an independent charity since 2015, separate from RBKC since October 2015 when the council off-loaded it, along with the staff, because of increasing pressures on council funding. It hasn’t received any money from the council since then, but is blessed by Investec sponsorship.

It may be a mile away but OHP is directly affected. Several of the staff live in North Kensington, and at least one is missing in the fire.

But The Times has fallen into the old prejudice that opera means elitism, and has made the cardinal error of taking received information and turning it to serve a story line with the patrician presumption that only the rich like opera. And it’s got it wrong. Today there is a correction, but damage has been done.

It is a glorious festival, and tickets start at £18, top price £77. There are also over 1,000 free tickets available to under-18s and over-60s, with half-price tickets for frontline NHS and police, fire and ambulance staff. It has outreach programmes working with the community, including people with dementia who, it's true, can also love opera. And it employs over 300 local people.

The story is especially wrong because the very purpose Michael Volpe had in creating OHP 21 years ago was to be anti-elitist and celebrate opera, especially Italian opera, as it once was, a wholly democratic form of entertainment. He hails from London’s Italian blue collar community and still delights in the company of old mates like Harry the Greek, as he told AIlast year. He took Harry to see his first opera, La Traviata. “Harry had his eyes shut” he said. “I asked him if he was asleep. ‘No’ he said, ‘I was thinking of my sister and the olive groves…’”. Opera can reach any soul, and this summer in this park its magic will enchant hearts of all kinds in new and unforeseen ways

And OHP, was set up to be anti-elitist........

 

[JohnD]

You didnt say that, you said they spent millions WHILE cutting back........

Which was a lie.

No, it's true.

Your ability to copy and paste an article from a pro-opera group doesn't alter that.

The fact that in financial year 2016/7 the council says it reduced subsidy to the opera festival doesn't alter it, either.

The decision to cut back on the cladding was before that.


BTW if you want to quote articles word for word, you ought to show them as quotes

 

[vinty]

The bribe that is under discussion was not to a specific group of individuals. It was a deal with one of the NI political parties. Thereby, potentially increasing the popularity of one NI political party over the others.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...deal-crowdfunded-challenge-reaches-high-court

It would appear that the UK government failed on this aspect.
We await the outcome of the court case.

The people I feel sorry for are the decent people who in good faith crowdfunded this clown McClean who is a well known serial litigant ,he now says he is considering an appeal, hopefully the "fool me once " principle will apply and honest people will keep their money in their pockets.

 

[Notch7]

No, it's true.

Your ability to copy and paste an article from a pro-opera group doesn't alter that.

The fact that in financial year 2016/7 the council says it reduced subsidy to the opera festival doesn't alter it, either.

The decision to cut back on the cladding was before that.


BTW if you want to quote articles word for word, you ought to show them as quotes

can you prove that the council cut back on the cost of the cladding in order to pay for subsidising opera?

I see you ignore the fact that Opera Holland Park was set up specifically as anti elitist.

But then no doubt you think Opera is only for rich people

 

[JohnD]

Notch's meaning (if any) is elusive.

Perhaps he is seeking to deny that Kensington council spent millions on an opera festival.

Perhaps he is seeking to deny that they cut back on the Grenfell cladding.

Perhaps he is still seeking to deny that the two events overlapped in time (as he falsely denied earlier)

Which is it you seek to deny, notch?

 

[Notch7]

Perhaps he is seeking to deny that Kensington council spent millions on an opera festival.

Where did I say that? I said it was anti-elitist which you havent commented on, as it doesnt suit your rich v poor whinging narrative

Perhaps he is seeking to deny that they cut back on the Grenfell cladding.

Where did I say that?
you still havent answered where the council specifically forced contractors to use material that was not to specifcation. Provide evidence that the Kensington and Chelsea altered the architects specification for the material and made the contractors use a different material.

Perhaps he is still seeking to deny that the two events overlapped in time (as he falsely denied earlier)

I admit they may have overlapped in time, as I can see the decisions regarding Grenfell tower happened over a period of years before work commenced. However where is the proof that the 2 events are connected? you are choosing to use the narrative that the spent less on the cladding on order to fund the arts -please point to where these 2 are connected.

 

[JohnD]

so you are attempting to get me to justify something I didn't say.

Either because you didn't read or understand it, or maliciously.

you fail.