Installing a swimming pool!

Less than 28C and I my age I'm not interested. LOL
In work the pools are heated to 29.5C all year round but the outdoor one feels much warmer. On the poolside they have a 'Plunge Pool' which is heated(?) to between 16-19C and it's quite amusing to see the 'macho's' jumping in and seeing who can stay in the longest.
I have to much respect for my heart rate to even consider doing it. I have nothing to prove to myself or anyone else thank you.
 
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Optional (Solar matts) which i used about 5 to keep the water 'heated' on warm sunny days. Bascially utilising the pump to pump water out and through Solar matts and back into pool. - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Intex-Eco-Friendly-Heating-Swimming-28685/dp/B00MS3963Y

are they easy to move about? Wondering if leaving them on top of the pool when covered is an option.

5 is about £250 though, how useful are they in keeping the water warm? Maybe used with a heater of some sort?

As for electric heaters, do they all connect to the filter tubes, or do they have their own inlet/outlet?

e.g. something like this
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B081F652G1/ref=sspa_dk_detail_0
or
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/220V-3KW...Electric-Water-Heater-Thermostat/133415203693

Nobody seems to show photos of them in use though...
 
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Less than 28C and I my age I'm not interested
Right with you there Conny...Used to go scuba diving in the North sea...bloody freezation..highlight of a dive was spotting a lobster .....Never again after comparing it with the Carib...
 
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Right with you there Conny...Used to go scuba diving in the North sea...bloody freezation..highlight of a dive was spotting a lobster .....Never again after comparing it with the Carib...
Mmm ditto used to stand in a tub of warm water and launch straight onto the water wakeboarding in a 4/3 steamer on a January morning, no gloves wow it was great until you wiped, then it was a fast swim to the edge :)
 
are they easy to move about? Wondering if leaving them on top of the pool when covered is an option.

5 is about £250 though, how useful are they in keeping the water warm? Maybe used with a heater of some sort?

As for electric heaters, do they all connect to the filter tubes, or do they have their own inlet/outlet?

e.g. something like this
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B081F652G1/ref=sspa_dk_detail_0
or
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/220V-3KW...Electric-Water-Heater-Thermostat/133415203693

Nobody seems to show photos of them in use though...

Ok this is almost where i got to before with one of these pumps but we moved and i don't need one now. I didn't get into heat loss v heat in v cost to run per day.

Yes those Intex mats you can find them cheaper but as we know right now anything like this is out of stock or about 40% more where available. Heat wise meh i found over the day they made the pool warmer but i would say no where near 'heated'. What you find is of course the water is almost boiling hot for the first minute or less but as soon as the flow outstrips the heat absorbed the water runs a few degrees above the pool temp. Then what do you do, slow the flow down to a trickle or speed it up and it's colder!

Need someone with a bit of calcs here to work out the most efficient way. I thought about driving the pump from a tesla wall using solar panels, but then an average panel say 350w on a good day you're looking at 6 panels plus inversion loss etc and batteries. Hmmm.


I know someone mentioned a 100metre hose coiled, im sure you've seen many on youtube but alot of them look like they're in 30+ degree heat in the USA already so they're already laughing. Let me know if you find an alternative route, love problem solving. Ill do some calcs on this later.
 
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Sometimes I think my 10 year old is too clever for his own good. He asked about the new pool, and if it is inflatable, and I started to explain how it uses steel poles to create the frame, with a liner in. And he just says, oh, like our large trampoline?

Yes, exactly like the large trampoline that is hardly used. Pond liner and an eyelet punch, some rope ... yeah, cheaper!

Pool arrived an hour ago.
 
are they easy to move about? Wondering if leaving them on top of the pool when covered is an option.

5 is about £250 though, how useful are they in keeping the water warm? Maybe used with a heater of some sort?

As for electric heaters, do they all connect to the filter tubes, or do they have their own inlet/outlet?

e.g. something like this
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B081F652G1/ref=sspa_dk_detail_0
or
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/220V-3KW...Electric-Water-Heater-Thermostat/133415203693

Nobody seems to show photos of them in use though...

They look like some sort of thermostatic control as opposed to an actual heater which, judging by the flying leads on the ebay one, seem to be for connecting to a control panel instead of fitting a plug on the end and plugging into a socket.

My air heater was a 5.5Kw output with an input of something silly like 2.1Kw Basically they work like a fridge in reverse by drawing the cool air in from outside and using it to heat the water from the pool as it passes through a series of coils. Never really went through the intricacies of it, was just made up when my electricity bill dropped like a stone. I still have it in my lock up but have lost one of the pipe adaptors. We tried the solar mats on a smaller pool and didn't rate them at all to be honest.

Only reason I don't have my pool now is because my FIL was supposed to be keeping an eye on it when we went on honeymoon and, because he knew we moved the ladders occasionally to prevent wear on the liner, he decided to move them. He didn't realise though that he had caught the liner and punctured it ever so lightly. We came home to find the water level had dropped and turned a dark green because we had had a power cut, (which he told us about), but didn't turn the pump back on. :(
 
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Do you remember the name of the product you had?
 
My air heater was a 5.5Kw output with an input of something silly like 2.1Kw Basically they work like a fridge in reverse by drawing the cool air in from outside and using it to heat the water from the pool as it passes through a series of coils. Never really went through the intricacies of it, was just made up when my electricity bill dropped like a stone.

We have one of these to heat our conservatory, rather than radiators (apparently, due to the amount of glazing, CH wouldn't put heat in quick enough to negate the losses, meaning it would not actually get any warmer!) It will cool the conservatory as well, but we only use it in heating cycle. Supposedly, it is pretty cheap to run in that mode.

Yes, they work like fridges-in-reverse. The outside unit draws atmospheric air through it, and whatever heat is in that air "warms" the circulating "refrigerant". The refrigerant (now with added heat energy) is circulated to the internal (wall-mounted) unit - a bit like a storage heater - where it is compressed, and the heat energy released. Warmer-than-outside air is then blown into the conservatory.

The refrigerant is pumped back outside, where it decompresses, and therefore becomes pretty cold), where it scavenges the latent heat from the outside air again. Rinse and repeat, until you switch it off.

Because of the heating effect of compression, the air that is blown into the conservatory can be considerably warmer than that outside. IIRC, an outside temperature of zero degrees C can still be compressed to give low twenties degrees C air inside.


Obviously, it takes a lot more energy to warm a given mass of water than the same of air, so any heater will draw more energy and take longer to heat a pool than it will a conservatory. Conversely though, it takes longer for that mass of water to cool back to "ambient" temperature.
 
The first few weeks of trying to heat the pool with the supplied heater, besides being terribly inefficient, was costing us in the region of £97 per week.
Took a gamble and shelled out for the air heater and the electricity bill dropped to just over £38 for the week and the pool was lovely and warm. Most days we had it around 32-33C mark. If the granddaughter was coming round we would turn it up to 35C. She was only a small baby then so it had to be warm. Now she is approaching 5 she goes in the spa when it is 24C !!!
 
Frame built, but ground needs some work.

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Slope more obvious when viewed from the house.

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It's a pain in the butt getting it set up correctly but worth it in the long run.
 
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