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All you are doing, durhamplumber is demonstrating how easily you accept government information, irrespective of its validity.
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Questioning the maths is irrelevant though and anyone could read the article and see that the help was limited..Fair comment. But I'm not out to ruin anyone's day. Just questioning the maths.
It's normally considered good practice to question other's maths.
It seems not on this occasion.
It's not a wonder drug - although if you were one of the lucky ones it helped you'd think it was a wonder drug I daresay. It's one of the most helpful things the researchers have come up with so far and much needed good news in the fight with covid imo.
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Wrong.Again.
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I disagree. Questioning the maths is all about questioning any report, government initiated or not.
It is absolutely not irrelevant. Otherwise government, or indeed anyone, could fiddle the maths and present their ideas as revolutionary. (But government wouldn't descend to such tactics, especially during a pandemic, would they? I mean they've not been fiddling the maths so far, have they?)
That was my opening line in this discussion.
Backed up with my reasoning for questioning the maths.
That is not in question and it's so obvious it's irrelevant and suggestive that anyone questioning the maths is wrong.
Not disputed.
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And means fekall if you are being pedantic...A drug that possibly saved over 10k deaths in 3months is a wonder drug to me.And that is only in The UK.
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You've been reading the Beano again.
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Can anyone explain how 1 in 8 is about a third, and 1 in 25 is about a fifth?
The trials are on 2000 people compared with 4000 on a placebo. It's the only one that is finished that shows hope. Next step according to the brief is is there something else that can be used with it to get further improvements. Sounds like there are also still some on going trials.
Steroids are useful drugs but effectiveness depends on what they are used to treat. They can remove inflammation and that can help the body recover or they can be used to mask long term problems. They have had some bad press, probably what IT is thinking about but correct short term use can be very effective. Longer term say steroid injections periodically can reduce pain in some cases. Going on a comment from my doctor those are rationed. I had some rather sever shoulder pains. Scans found a muscle tear that didn't cause the problem, talk of scraping bit's and pieces in a joint mentioned - I wasn't keen on that so doc said he'd do me a favour and try a steroid injection, one of the 250 he does a year. It allowed the problem to recover, no idea what it was. Scan I thought good heavens mri but turned out to be ultrasound. The guy that did it said they get a lot of people with various pains where it fails to find any problems. It's done because it's cheap is how I read that. I might start ranting if I expanded on that area.
I know some one who was on them for months, pills for a knee problem. He put on a lot of weight. Lost contact so don't know if they did anything useful long term. Short term use has helped me 3 times.
Steroids are useful drugs but effectiveness depends on what they are used to treat. They can remove inflammation and that can help the body recover or they can be used to mask long term problems. They have had some bad press, probably what IT is thinking about but correct short term use can be very effective. Longer term say steroid injections periodically can reduce pain in some cases. Going on a comment from my doctor those are rationed. I had some rather sever shoulder pains. Scans found a muscle tear that didn't cause the problem, talk of scraping bit's and pieces in a joint mentioned - I wasn't keen on that so doc said he'd do me a favour and try a steroid injection, one of the 250 he does a year. It allowed the problem to recover, no idea what it was. Scan
I thought good heavens mri but turned out to be ultrasound. The guy that did it said they get a lot of people with various pains where it fails to find any problems. It's done because it's cheap is how I read that. I might start ranting if I expanded on that area.I know some one who was on them for months, pills for a knee problem. He put on a lot of weight. Lost contact so don't know if they did anything useful long term. Short term use has helped me 3 times.
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Did this really need picking apart? You've not said much of any importance tbh.
Just enjoy the good news for once instead of being everyone's expert!!!
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Thank you. And especially for not resorting to silly retorts.
Obviously I missed that in the reports. (so did everyone else except you, it seems)
It helps a bit.
So the figures now are:
2 in 8 equals about a third. Well nearly.
and 2 in 25 equals about a fifth.
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Hmm, still not there yet.
It's probably where my ~13000 comes from. It will only help certain people who get certain problems due to CV19. Only some proportion of cases will have this problem so there are 2 ways of looking at it - all patients or just those that have this specific problem. TV found 2 people to interview. One on their last legs so husband said ok put her on the trial. The other was on oxygen and was much better 3 days later. No indication of how bad he was when he was given the drug.
The reporting isn't too bright either. Steroids are anti inflammatories. Inflammation can be part of an immune response. In this case too much of that seems to be a bad idea.
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a dangerous over reaction of the immune system which causes excessive inflammation in some cases is where the problem lies. hence the success of the steroid
Not a clue, it's a cheap generic, which means it's produced for pennies in a factory somewhere. Low cost, low profit, high volume. Probably mostly in India as they have a lot of that market.
It's an understandable thing. Not good, but understandable and I'm not going to criticize it at the moment.
I already did. You're using the wrong denominator, or to be more precise making the mistake of thinking they are the same denominator.
1 in 8 of people treated and 1 in 3 of those who'd die. You're making the mistake of thinking everyone who gets treated dies of they don't get treatment.
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