A Blatant Lie by BJ about Trade between NI and GB.

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

The correct title is Belfast agreement.
History has now shown that the DUP was correct to oppose the B. A.

Really? Do show how the GFA/BA was incorrect, and should be abolished.
It is political history that DUP opposed all sorts of attempts to defuse the violence that was raging in NI.

 

[Vinty]

Ireland was one country before the introduction of the border, by Britain in 1921, between NI and Ireland
Any unification of the island now will be a reunification.

Do you have comprehension problems, the border was an agreed border between 2 peoples.
It was a recognition of reality by all sides.

 

[fillyboy]

The 1921 border was an agreed border between 2 states.
That is what borders are for,
The EU border in N. I. is an artificial creation because it is in UK sovereign territory.

That poses an interesting question on the legality in that the EU is certainly not sovereign, it's merely a group of nations. Obviously if the republic, as a sovereign nation, wanted a border, that would be different.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

That poses an interesting question on the legality in that the EU is certainly not sovereign, it's merely a group of nations. Obviously if the republic, as a sovereign nation, wanted a border, that would be different.

The UK decided to place the border there, in the Irish sea.
They knew there had to be a border, either between NI and Ireland, or between NI and Britain. They decided the latter.
They didn't have to, they could have stayed in the CU and SM.
Or they could run the Irish reunification referendum.
Or they could give credence to the different decisions of the four nations of UK on Brexit.
Or they could have held another 'confirmation' referendum in UK to see if UK still wanted BJ's version of Brexit.

 

[Vinty]

Really? Do show how the GFA/BA was incorrect, and should be abolished.
It is political history that DUP opposed all sorts of attempts to defuse the violence that was raging in NI.

Violence was defused by the security forces not by the BA.
The IRA was out of business and was looking for a way out, along comes Tony Blair to give them a way out.
McGuiness, Adams and other IRA top brass were worried about their own skins.
The security forces and the loyalist paramilitaries were inflicting heavy damage on the IRA and their supporters.
The above is the real reason the violence stopped.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Violence was defused by the security forces not by the BA.
The IRA was out of business and was looking for a way out, along comes Tony Blair to give them a way out.
McGuiness, Adams and other IRA top brass were worried about their own skins.
The security forces and the loyalist paramilitaries were inflicting heavy damage on the IRA and their supporters.
The above is the real reason the violence stopped.

So we don't need the GFA/BA anymore, in your opinion?
In fact we never needed it in the first place?
Have you told UK, EU, US, UN, et al?

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Do you have comprehension problems, the border was an agreed border between 2 peoples.
It was a recognition of reality by all sides.

It was still a border created in one country by UK.

the border was created in 1921 under the United Kingdom Parliament's Government of Ireland Act 1920.
Prior to this, a separatist Irish parliament had been established in Dublin, which did not recognise the Government of Ireland Act,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repub...as an internal,Government of Ireland Act 1920.​

How's your comprehension difficulties now?

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Shall we discuss all the other borders arbitrarily drawn by UK: Palestine - Israel, Iran - Iraq, etc?

 

[fillyboy]

The UK decided to place the border there, in the Irish sea.
They knew there had to be a border, either between Ni and Ireland, or between NI and Britain. They decided the latter.
They didn't have to, thye could have stayed in the CU and SM.

UK didn't want a border, NI didn't want a border, the Republic didn't want a border. The only people who insisted they're must be a border was a non sovereign group of nations, the EU.

Or they could run the Irish unification referendum.

Unification can only happen as a result of a referendum in NI, nowhere else. Because the majority of the population in NI are loyalists, the result would be in favour of staying in the UK, that's the way it is.
The catholics are growing in number, and there may come a time when outnumber the loyalists in which case a referendum for unification might go the other way, but that's a good few years away yet.

I'm sure Vinty could give us a clearer picture, he's our man on the ground as it were.

My family were 'rebels' from the bandit counties down south but that doesn't sway my opinion one way or the other.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Unification can only happen as a result of a referendum in NI, nowhere else. Because the majority of the population in NI are loyalists, the result would be in favour of staying in the UK, that's the way it is.

The reunification referendum will include NI and Ireland, all the electorate will be eligible to vote in the referendum.
Check your facts before posting.

Whoever favours keeping Northern Ireland in union with Great Britain, or prefers a united Ireland, needs to prepare for a referendum in the North on that exact choice, followed by a matching referendum in the South – if there is an affirmative vote for unity in the North.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/...is-coming-whether-we-like-it-or-not-1.4454681​

 

[fillyboy]

It was still a border created in one country by UK.

Only as a line on a map. A few checkpoints sprung up during the troubles , apart from that it has always been an open border, as also existed between mainland UK and the republic, much more than that in fact because the Common Travel Area agreed between UK and Eire entitled Irish citizens to live, work and collect a pension in the UK.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

A few checkpoints sprung up during the troubles ,

By whom?
And where were those 'few checkpoints' located?

 

[fillyboy]

The reunification referendum will include NI and Ireland, all the electorate will be eligible to vote in the referendum.
Check your facts before posting.

It's a little more complicated than that and it certainly won't be a single one off referendum involving both north and south.

Irish reunification | The Institute for Government

 

[transam]

By whom?
And where were those 'few checkpoints' located?

Ireland

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

It's a little more complicated than that ...

Irish reunification | The Institute for Government

It is. It may come down to whether the GFA/BA has precedence, or the NI Protocol has precedence. But as the GFA/BA is now codified within the NI Protocol, I suspect that the GFA/BA may take precedence:

The Good Friday Agreement states that consent for a united Ireland must be “freely and concurrently given” in both the North and the South of the island of Ireland. This is widely interpreted to mean that future border polls must be held in Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland at the same time.
From your link.​

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

UK didn't want a border, NI didn't want a border, the Republic didn't want a border. The only people who insisted they're must be a border was a non sovereign group of nations, the EU.

So UK will be happy to remove all of their borders with other entities?