Democracy? What kind of democracy is this?

[transam]

Who cares ?? Not transam

***t happens

In Egypt they had a revolution over threw a dictator had a democratic election and than a year later they threw him out and banged him up and some general took over

algeria similar caper

 

[durhamplumber]

Who cares ?? Not transam

***t happens

In Egypt they had a revolution over threw a dictator had a democratic election and than a year later they threw him out and banged him up and some general took over

algeria similar caper

Yip...Froggies feked it up again.

 

[transam]

Were ever there is trouble you will probably find the french lurking in the back ground

scoundrels

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Division was caused by a remainer Parliament refusing to accept the result of a democratic referendum.

I agree with JohnD's comment, and I would add that it is not obligatory to enact the result of a referendum.
Referendums, in UK, are held to gauge public opinion, not decide the legislation, nor the policies of government.
Therefore any and all MPs are free to vote according to their conscience, not according to the demands of their voters, nor even the electorate in general.
In addition, MPs with integrity would bear in mind the opinion of all their electorate, not just their voters.

I would also add that UK Parliament voted for Brexit, so it is inaccurate to describe it as a Remainer Parliament.
As JohnD said, it was the kind of Brexit that divided Parliament.

Now that Brexit has been achieved, it's the kind of Brexit that threatens to create further division.

 

[durhamplumber]

scoundrels

Cowards.

 

[durhamplumber]

Referendums, in UK, are held to gauge public opinion, not decide the legislation, nor the policies of government.
Therefore any and all MPs are free to vote according to their conscience, not according to the demands of their voters, nor even the electorate in general.
In addition, MPs with integrity would bear in mind the opinion of all their electorate, not

This has all been debated to the nth degree for years and years ..Why the hell did you all gag for years for yet another ref if it had such little power.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

The EU could turn out even worse than Hitler.
It has shown a worrying disrespect for the sovereignty of other nations.
N. I. is supposed to have left the EU yet a British minister has to go to Brussels to ask permission to send goods from one part of the UK to another and you claim that this is democracy in action.

And you blame EU, when it was your PM that agreed to it? It was your PM, your Parliament that sought that Brexit. It was your PM and Parliament that sought and agreed to the NI Protocol.
In addition, what sovereignty of Scotland, and NI does your PM accord?
Nil, he refuses to consider a referendum in Scotland.
He subjugates NI to his version of Brexit, when the majority didn't want any Brexit.

 

[durhamplumber]

Referendums, in UK, are held to gauge public opinion, not decide the legislation,

So gauge public opinion...Then do the opposite to what the majority of those who voted for....Great idea for a govt.Who rapidly wish to become the opposition.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Who cares ?? Not transam

***t happens

In Egypt they had a revolution over threw a dictator had a democratic election and than a year later they threw him out and banged him up and some general took over

algeria similar caper

What does that have to do with this discussion?

 

[durhamplumber]

As JohnD said, it was the kind of Brexit that divided Parliament.

Whatever Joan says you agree with him..Hard to tell who really HAtes the UK more out of you two

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Yip...Froggies feked it up again.

Were ever there is trouble you will probably find the french lurking in the back ground

scoundrels

Cowards.

trolls are back.
They're intellectually incapable of contributing to a rational debate so they seek to disrupt with trolling.
Very sad people.

 

[durhamplumber]

Very sad people

Very sad people.

I agree with JohnD's comment, and I would add that it is not obligatory to enact the result of a referendum.
Referendums, in UK, are held to gauge public opinion, not decide the legislation, nor the policies of government.
Therefore any and all MPs are free to vote according to their conscience, not according to the demands of their voters, nor even the electorate in general.
In addition, MPs with integrity would bear in mind the opinion of all their electorate, not just their voters.

I would also add that UK Parliament voted for Brexit, so it is inaccurate to describe it as a Remainer Parliament.
As JohnD said, it was the kind of Brexit that divided Parliament.

Now that Brexit has been achieved, it's the kind of Brexit that threatens to create further division.

The proper sado fukers are people like you still churning out this manure even now.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

This has all been debated to the nth degree for years and years ..

We've had very little debate about the effect of Brexit on NI.

Why the hell did you all gag for years for yet another ref if it had such little power.

Simple. I said referendums are held to gauge public opinion.
The Remainer argument was based on several valid points:

1. Brexiteers had no plan for Brexit. The didn't even expect to win, which explains why they had no plan.
2. There were multiple versions of Brexit which weren't explored
3. Brexit was based on a simple singular event, but as it unfolded it became clear that it was not what it was presented to be.
4. There were various lies told to the public in pursuit of Brexit.
5. The repercussions of Brexit were poorly understood.
6. Public opinion can change when the above points become obvious.

 

[ellal]

N. I. is supposed to have left the EU yet a British minister has to go to Brussels to ask permission to send goods from one part of the UK to another and you claim that this is democracy in action.

You obviously don't understand the importance of keeping to the Good Friday agreement...

Imposing a border between Ireland and N.I. breaks that agreement.
(and also don't forget that N.I. voted to remain)

Thus the EU has compromised to maintain the peace, but in order to maintain it's own integrity has negotiated with the UK the current system...

That this system isn't working very well should come as no surprise - it wasn't 'project fear', it was the reality of Brexit!

So don't complain about 'democracy', when the Government that was voted in (albeit under an archaic undemocratic system) agreed to this...

As remainers are frequently told, 'suck it up'!

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

So gauge public opinion...Then do the opposite to what the majority of those who voted for....Great idea for a govt.Who rapidly wish to become the opposition.

I didn't say that referendums should be ignored, they are useful for gauging public opinion.
They can and should be used to influence policy and legislation. But there's no obligation to allow them to either influence nor decide those policies and legislation.
If any MP wishes to vote against the referendum result he's honour bound to vote with his conscience.

To use the example of a referendum on capital punishment again, if a referendum was held, MPs are not only entitled to vote with their conscience, it's almost an unwritten requirement of an MP.