Cecil Rhodes staying after all

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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-57175057

I never thought it should be taken down, rather an explanation given instead. People need to remember it was a different time way back then and views, opinions and ideals were somewhat different.

Also don't forget without his generous money it's likely the university would be greatly different than it is today, and there are many scholarship which wouldn't have happened without his funding.

Let's not just delete it.
 
Moving the statue from a prominent place of honour to somewhere more appropriate where a fuller examination of the views, opinions, and ideals of "a different time way back then" can be developed is not "deleting" it.
 
sxturbo said:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-57175057

I never thought it should be taken down, rather an explanation given instead. People need to remember it was a different time way back then and views, opinions and ideals were somewhat different.

Also don't forget without his generous money it's likely the university would be greatly different than it is today, and there are many scholarship which wouldn't have happened without his funding.

Let's not just delete it.
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I agree no point in airbrushing him from history
 
Im surprised you can see your keyboard, so violently must your eyes be swivelling all the time.

Were you as opposed to "cancel culture by the woke brigade" when they removed, and then later destroyed, the statue of Jimmy Savile from the Scotstoun Leisure Centre in Glasgow?
 
all this fuss about removing some statue of some bloke who was swanning. around Africa a couple hundred years ago

jeez us
 
fillyboy said:
Yes it is Himmy.
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Whoever he is, if he disagrees with you as I do its because you are wrong, not because people who disagree with you are so improbably rare that there can only be one.

Personally IDGAS about all these daft allegations, but it does make me wonder what sort of person would give credence to such a monumentally immature idea as multiple IDs.
 
ellal said:
It's not about history, it's about the glorification...

Would you condone a statue of hitler to still stand?
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There was no statues of Hitler commissioned. Though there is a bust of Hitler's head. there is Hitler and nazi memorabilia in museums, there are still Nazi buildings standing today.

Hitler wasn't philanthropic and done no good deeds.

History cannot be judged by modern standards, it needs to be judged in the time it happened.

We can add context to history to lessen the glorification.
 
sxturbo said:
History cannot be judged by modern standards, it needs to be judged in the time it happened.

We can add context to history to lessen the glorification.
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Of course history must be judged by modern standards. Otherwise the lessons of history are not lessons, they're just something that happened in the past, and are inconsequential if they occurred again.
To ignore the modern context of history is to accept that The Holocaust, Pol Pot, etc, were just incidences in history and deserve no special mention.

Let's take a comment made by someone on here, I think it was securespark, who remarked about the current Israeli - Palestine situation, to paraphrase his comment, he couldn't understand how a nationality that had been treated so badly in the past could treat another nationality so badly.
That comment sees history in its modern context. If it didn't, it's a meaningless comment.
If we are not aware of the full history of a person, no matter how philanthropic they are, we are accepting that philanthropy, irrespective of how the finance is gained in the first place.
That would legitimise the philanthropy of gangsters, the Mafia, those conducting medical experiments on prisoners, etc.
https://www.worth.com/the-10-most-toxic-philanthropists/
Jeffrey Epstein, David Koch, The Sackler family, Harvey Weinstein, Roger Ailes, etc.​
Just because the horrific behaviour of the perpetrator occurred a long time ago does not discount the ability to recognise the horror of his deeds.

To argue that his good deeds outweigh his misbehaviour is to concur with the concept of blood money or restitution in place of justice, which I'm sure many would argue against vehemently, and has no place in modern society. Otherwise justice is a nonsensical notion reserved for those that can't pay to excuse their crimes.
 
It is absurd how hard it is to evict unwanted squatters these days. Especially when there's activist right-wing lawyers willing to do anything to keep them in place.
 
We need to adopt the Swiss policy
Have a referendum over removing this rhoads blokes statue :idea:

transam will not take part because he does not give a stuff one way or the other

:)
 
transam said:
We need to adopt the Swiss policy
Have a referendum over removing this rhoads blokes statue :idea:

transam will not take part because he does not give a stuff one way or the other

:)
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If the result was to remove it, some May want to just cover it up, some Mog will want a hard removal. Half of the people will cry project fear, and the other half will warn of dire consequences.
NI, Financial Service, and the fishermen and farmers will end up under a bus. Boris will tell lies about whether it's been moved at all, and new border checks will appear where no-expected them.
They'll replace it with a statue of Stalin and claim everything will be OK, in a few years time.
 
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