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[John the plumber]

So not this as you claimed then?



Where is a ban mentioned?

If your posts keep getting removed then eventually you are banned from the thread.
Or are you now saying that it’s one rule for one and different for anyone else.
(Mind you it could just be that for some reason being anti Covid vaccine is considered being abusive by the mods ).
Strange that.

 

[denso13]

If your posts keep getting removed then eventually you are banned from the thread.

Maybe, maybe not. It hasn't happened to me so I wouldn't know.

Just stick to the facts though, nowhere was being banned mentioned.

 

[John the plumber]

Maybe, maybe not. It hasn't happened to me so I wouldn't know.

Just stick to the facts though, nowhere was being banned mentioned.

It wouldn’t happen to you as I have just said if being anti vaccine is considered on this site as being abusive then as you are not anti vaccine then the mods wouldn’t deem you abusive would they.

 

[IT Minion]

It wouldn’t happen to you as I have just said if being anti vaccine is considered on this site as being abusive then as you are not anti vaccine then the mods wouldn’t deem you abusive would they.

I don't believe it's being anti vaccine that is the key bit of the warning. After all this thread is about vaccination.

It's more the irrelevant whining, rambling, bickering and sillyness, like this post, that might end up getting someone blocked form the thread. So to ensure I don't anger the moderation god's (although that sounds like they just want us to drink responsibly)...

Huge disparity between hospitalisations in USA:

Unvaccinated hospitalisation rate:
431 people per 100,000

vaccinated hospitalisation rate:
26 people per 100,000

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-coronavirus-vaccines-hospital-cases-rates-unvaccinated

The US has an unusually large fraction of people who won't vaccinate, and unlike the UK also has a significant fraction of its older population that won't vaccinate. It's a depressing observational study into the effects of vaccines. The US has slightly worse healthcare but is fairly comparable to us.

Right now they're approaching the same rate of deaths as during the peak of their first wave (2000 per day). We are far lower than the peak of our first wave (150 Vs 1000). I wonder what else could explain the difference. Stats from here

 

[John the plumber]

I don't believe it's being anti vaccine that is the key bit of the warning. After all this thread is about vaccination.

It's more the irrelevant whining, rambling, bickering and sillyness, like this post, that might end up getting someone blocked form the thread. So to ensure I don't anger the moderation god's (although that sounds like they just want us to drink responsibly)...


The US has an unusually large fraction of people who won't vaccinate, and unlike the UK also has a significant fraction of its older population that won't vaccinate. It's a depressing observational study into the effects of vaccines. The US has slightly worse healthcare but is fairly comparable to us.

Right now they're approaching the same rate of deaths as during the peak of their first wave (2000 per day). We are far lower than the peak of our first wave (150 Vs 1000). I wonder what else could explain the difference. Stats from here

Are you sure Being anti Covid jab isnt the key to the warning ?
Anti covid vaccine posts are covered as abusive under the sites rules. Anyway enough of that.
Back to the topic.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

By 8th September the vaccines had killed 1645 people in Britain and there had been 1,119,683 reported adverse reactions.

COVID-19 Yellow Card Data | UKColumn

 

[JP_]

Always tragic when somebodies dies from side effects. But it is estimated that the vaccine has saved 100,000 people in the UK and 300,000 in the US.
So overall, the vaccine is doing much more good than harm.

Adverse reactions are often acute with no long lasting effects. Probably about the same percentage we see for other vaccines, it's just that the world doesn't usually give out 6 billion vaccines in a year, and then report the results. When people get a side effect from MMR, polio, tetanus, typhoid etc, nobody shouts about it.

 

[JohnD]

By 8th September the vaccines had killed 1645 people in Britain

that's an interesting assertion. Can you find this claim on any reputable source?

 

[Deleted member 18243]

it is estimated that the vaccine has saved 100,000 people in the UK and 300,000 in the US.

Can you (or whoever made the estimate) prove this?

 

[JohnD]

The US has slightly worse healthcare but is fairly comparable to us.

better outcomes for the rich and well-insured

much worse outcomes for the poorer people, and for black people.

 

[JohnD]

By 8th September the vaccines had killed 1645 people in Britain

Can you (or whoever made the estimate) prove this?

I'm glad you asked that.

Can you?

 

[IT Minion]

By 8th September the vaccines had killed 1645 people in Britain and there had been 1,119,683 reported adverse reactions.

COVID-19 Yellow Card Data | UKColumn

No they didn't.

For the number of times you get people ranting about dying 'with' Covid and 'from' Covid you'd expect them to at least understand that just because someone dies after a vaccine it doesn't mean the vaccine killed them.

Has anyone worked out if death reports through the Yellow card scheme are validated?

 

[noseall]

being anti vaccine is considered on this site as being abusive

Correct.

It is child abuse if the antivaxxer mom or dad deny them the vaccine.

It is spousal abuse if the antivaxxer husband prevents the wife access to a vaccine.

It is downright dangerous and potentially lethal when antivaxxers spout their lies to the public.

The mods and site owners in general have a duty to keep antivaxxers nonsense from being spouted anywhere.

 

[JohnD]

Beware antivaxxers!


"Message from a nurse who wishes to remain anonymous:

Imagine that you are a firefighter and there is a massive fire. You throw on your gear and rush into the fire systematically rescuing as many people as possible.

Once all the people are out, you secure the perimeter and notify appropriate channels to get evacuations started in at risk communities. There are signs up, borders in place, people standing guard. The president goes on national television warning everyone about how dangerous the fire is and to not go into it. Communities offer raffles, gifts, and incentives to encourage people to stay away from the fire.

You stand outside, physically guarding the perimeter and yell repeatedly at people to stop them from walking into the fire, telling them they will die if they go in.

The people yell back that they know you are lying to them and they are too smart for that, they aren't sheep. The other people that died were all old and fat so they aren't worried.

It breaks your heart because people you thought were your friends don't listen and even some family members don't take your warnings seriously.

Even though you were just inside the fire they know much more about the fire than you do. Even though you're a trained professional who just dragged burning bodies out of the fire they know that the fire isn't really that bad.

Many of them politely thank you for your service and state they respect your beliefs so will you please respect theirs? So they run past you into the fire. Once they're in the region they pick up pieces of burning wood and toss them into neighboring fields and forests, starting more fires. "Fire is natural!" they scream.

Then they start screaming a different scream, yelling for help because they're burning in there and then demand that you run back into the fire yourself to try to save them.

You are tired, sweaty, and hot and that fire is getting really big and dangerous, but when you express dismay about having to run back into the fire all of society (including some "friends" and family) shame you for being a selfish person. "You signed up for this, its your job. Now go run and save those people, it was their right to run into the fire and and start more fires and you better respect their rights." Multiply that by hundreds of thousands of people and that is what working in healthcare is right now."

 

[Deleted member 18243]

No they didn't.
just because someone dies after a vaccine it doesn't mean the vaccine killed them.

By the same token just because someone dies within 28 days of a positive covid test it doesn't mean that they died of covid.

Indeed, those dead within 28 days of the test might not even have had covid, given the unreliability of these tests.