When is something new not new?

[SirGalahad]

40 New Hospitals, well refurbs, or rebuilds but any new additional hospitals?


https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ies-hospitals-plan-labelled-unachievable-pmqs

A section called “definitions of a new hospital” says this covers not just a whole new hospital but also “a major new clinical building on an existing site or a new wing of an existing hospital”, as long as it contains a new clinical service; and “a major refurbishment and alteration of all but building frame or main structure, delivering a significant extension to useful life which includes major or visible changes to the external structure.”

Starmer said: “We can all agree that refurbishments are a very good thing, but they’re not new hospitals. So prime minister, how many of the 40 are fix-up jobs on existing hospitals, and how many are actually the new hospitals he promised?”

 

[Stivino]

When is something new not new?
When it's for sale on ebay. BNIB, only opened to check that it works.
Once that box has been opened/seal is broken, it's no longer BNIB.

 

[JohnD]

When it's
Boris Johnson's pledge to recruit 50,000 more NHS nurses

and "more" means "including the current ones"

so it doesn't mean new joiners.

 

[SirGalahad]

When is something new not new?
When it's for sale on ebay. BNIB, only opened to check that it works.
Once that box has been opened/seal is broken, it's no longer BNIB.

Good to know. So these are not new hospitals then. Are you saying we have a bunch of Ebay Scammers in Downing Street?

 

[JP_]

Starmer ripped him apart today on this, was fun to watch.

It really is a joke. He says "we're building 40 new hospitals" but what he means is, we're doing to refurbs to hospitals that haven't been touched in 60 years.

Sort of the opposite of Trigger's broom. Boris thinks if he changes one small part, the whole thing can be called "new". Problem is, we still have the same number of hospitals!

NHS trusts ordered to call hospital refurbs ‘new hospitals’ as Government scrambles to hit 2030 build target - August 26, 2021
"Boris Johnson pledge to build 48 new hospitals by 2030, but many are refurbishments, new wings or units"
https://inews.co.uk/news/government...it-scrambles-to-hit-2030-build-target-1169978

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[fillyboy]

Sounds better than the PFI initiative which has landed the NHS with an £80 billion debt.

 

[SirGalahad]

Sounds better than the PFI initiative which has landed the NHS with an £80 billion debt.

Was that on page 4 or 5 of your Tory response pamphlet?

PFI is a poor way to fund public spending so why didnt the Tories end it?

 

[fillyboy]

so why didnt the Tories end it?

Effectively they have, but the historic debt remains and they've been unable to find £80bn down the back of the sofa to pay that off.

 

[Notch7]

Effectively they have, but the historic debt remains and they've been unable to find £80bn down the back of the sofa to pay that off.

thats true PFIs are not a sufficiently effective way of get the money into mates of Tories grubby mitts

 

[Deleted member 292770]

When someone opens a thread on here . Everyone knows it’ll end locked or an argument about covid. So not new but same OLD.

 

[Deleted member 174758]

PFI is a poor way to fund public spending so why didnt the Tories end it?

Or for that matter why did they start it?

 

[fillyboy]

Or for that matter why did they start it?

Probably wasn't a terrible idea if not allowed to spiral out of control, which it did under Blair.

 

[Notch7]

Probably wasn't a terrible idea if not allowed to spiral out of control, which it did under Blair.

it was a terrible idea -privatise the profit socialise the risk

Blair was the main culprit

 

[JohnD]

it was a terrible idea -privatise the profit socialise the risk

british rail for example

 

[transam]

Water companies should be taken back
Into public ownership imo

They threatened to take me to court over a water bill they had the nerve to actually ring me up
And basically threatened me verbally

told the bloke it comes out the sky and should be free plus reminded him that the top bloke at the water board was on several million a year plus perks he should pay it
All to no avail the bloke was not to bright and failed to under stand