Edward Colston statue: Four cleared of criminal damage

[festive]

Your attempt to turn this discussion into a us versus them is not only misplaced, it's downright racist and you're trying to promote that divide.
One doesn't need to be any particular ethnicity to know that slavery is an abomination.

Yawn. No racism here you're confused as usual, lets see some examples you seem to have too much time on your hands 'Angled' eyes.

 

[AngleEyes]

some non white/pink people ... was due to their colour i mean non colour .

E...the people ... were pale or pink skinned people .....shame of their colour, no festive pink isn't a colour!!!

...non coloured heads ..... turn gammon pink(of colour) ....... racist association ..... the woke

Yawn. No racism here you're confused as usual, lets see some examples

Every single one of your posts in this thread, bar one pointless post where a simple 'Like' would have sufficed, was full of you trying to promote division between various ethnicities.
Objecting to slavery is not about the difference in ethnicity.
To most right thinking people slavery is an abomination irrespective of the ethnicities of anyone involved.

 

[AngleEyes]

It was straightforward criminal damage.

It was damage.
If it's justifiable, it's not criminal.
The jury decided that it was 'justifiable'.
Nothing you say will change that verdict.

 

[AngleEyes]

Where did I write "guilty"?

guilty

 

[AngleEyes]

Lots and lots of criminal damager's get off due to the Jury thinking their cause was just. That is not a valid reason to acquit.

If it's justifiable, then it's not criminal. That is a valid reason to acquit.

You will all be claiming the election was rigged next.

 

[motorbiking]

Have you ever thought of becoming a Mckenzie Friend?

Prosecutors would love you.

 

[JohnD]

Where did I write "guilty"?

Ok.


If it had been, then the council workers (or whoever) would not have been guilty of criminal damage.

 

[motorbiking]

Every single one of your posts in this thread, bar one pointless post where a simple 'Like' would have sufficed, was full of you trying to promote division between various ethnicities.
Objecting to slavery is not about the difference in ethnicity.
To most right thinking people slavery is an abomination irrespective of the ethnicities of anyone involved.

Nobody here is saying slavery was a good thing
Nobody is making racists comments, People are defending Colston entirely based on the laws and norms of the day. Remember he died over 100 years before it was abolished.

The discussion is entirely about whether they should or should not have been convicted of criminal damage.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Ah, of course, the "would not have been" made no difference.

Plonker.

 

[AngleEyes]

People are defending Colston entirely based on the laws and norms of the day.

We don't live by the norms of yesterday, we live by the norms of today. If the history of Colston had been corrected to show the true history, I suspect the statue would still be in place, untouched and undamaged. It would be serving a real purpose in highlighting the offensiveness of slavery.

The discussion is entirely about whether they should or should not have been convicted of criminal damage.

No it isn't, it's been very much about whether the judgement was right or wrong in this instance, because of the distant and recent history of Colston and the statue.


When he lived and when he died is irrelevant.
Ask any bible scholar.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

Nobody here is saying slavery was a good thing

Not all slavery was bad, and not all slave owners were cruel.

 

[AngleEyes]

Nobody is making racists comments,

Festive is desperately trying to turn this into a divide of ethnicities.
Slavery is abominable irrespective of ethnicities.

 

[AngleEyes]

Not all slavery was bad, and not all slave owners were cruel.

I didn't realise you were so well acquainted with some slaves or slave owners.

 

[motorbiking]

Not all slavery was bad, and not all slave owners were cruel.

I stand corrected. though I can't agree.

 

[AngleEyes]

Not all slavery was bad, and not all slave owners were cruel.

I stand corrected. though I can't agree.

Perhaps andy11 will give you some examples of slaves that enjoyed their slavery. Or some slave owners that were so 'uncruel' they willingly liberated their slaves, and started paying them a wage.

From fast facts to black inferiority: how slavery has been portrayed historically in textbooks
The Hazen’s textbook (published 1903) framed Jamestown and its role in the development of US slavery as an inevitable matter of labor demand and economic pragmatism, a common argument in US school materials at the turn of the 20th century.

Yet that was just one school of thought. After slavery’s end in this country, many Southern-focused textbooks promoted a Lost Cause approach to Jamestown and slavery writ large, portraying the institution as part of a natural order. White Southerners created ideologically driven narratives that yearned for the Good Ole Days where whites sat atop the hierarchy and African Americans were faithful slaves. In this racist revisionism, they didn’t have to reckon with the new black citizen, voter, or legislator as nominal equals.
Somewhat typical in this distorted history was A Child’s History of North Carolina, circa 1916, which also focused on slavery’s profitability and erased its violence. In this view, the enslaved people were happy, and Southern slave owners were reluctant masters at best.
According to the book, enslaved people “were allowed all the freedom they seemed to want, and were given the privilege of visiting other plantations when they chose to do so. All that was required of them was to be in place when work time came. At the holiday season they were almost as free as their masters.” Moreover, “most people in North Carolina were really opposed to slavery and were in favor of a gradual emancipation. Slavery was already in existence, however, through no fault of theirs. They had the slaves and had to manage as best they could the problem of what to do with them.”
https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/8/26/20829771/slavery-textbooks-history​