Did he, or didn't he. You can't tell who's lying in government these days. But someone must be.

[securespark]

Your’e as pathetic as your mate above .keep up the good work!
maybe one day you’ll contribute something actually constructive that’s diy related.

In case you have not noticed, this is General Discussion, which encourages chat about other topics.

 

[festive]

Sure you can.

It's Boris Johnson.

he can't help himself.

Are his lips moving?

Then he's lying.

Its a saying used for ALL politicians lets be clear here...

 

[Notch7]

Yeah, most here know you as a clown. Thanks for posting your home video.

 

[Notch7]

Its a saying used for ALL politicians lets be clear here...

that’s a go to argument for Johnson supporters

 

[Lower]

I didn't read any of that in the emails that I read.
Did you read them?

Here's a link to them:
https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/43225/html/

My understanding is that the allegation that Boris has denied is that he intervened to get the animals out.

If Boris actively took special action to get the animals out, then that would be intervening.

If he was asked for permission and simply agreed, then i don't think he has lied by saying he didn't intervene.

My opinion of Boris is pretty low, but i think the media are spinning the question to make this released email look like a smoking gun proving that he lied and i don't think that is correct.

 

[AngleEyes]

My understanding is that the allegation that Boris has denied is that he intervened to get the animals out.

If Boris actively took special action to get the animals out, then that would be intervening.

If he was asked for permission and simply agreed, then i don't think he has lied by saying he didn't intervene.

My opinion of Boris is pretty low, but i think the media are spinning the question to make this released email look like a smoking gun proving that he lied and i don't think that is correct.

That's about as deceitful as Ben Wallace claiming that Boris didn't actually tell him to do anything.
It doesn't need a specific instruction from one individual to another to pass an instruction, desire, or wish down the line of command.
The emails specifically say, "authorised by the PM".
We understand the current chaotic culture in No 10, but that chaotic culture does not explain, is not sufficient, and is no defence for lying, on the basis of, "I didn't know what I was doing, when I did it."

A special plane was chartered to fly out the animals. That plane could easily have transported people.
That plane took up bandwidth (flying/landing/loading/taking off/guarding/organising, etc.) which could have been used to evacuate people.
A C 17 can carry about 800 people, that one was used to carry about 180 animals.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

All this sort of stuff can be summed up by something one of my uncles once said, 'it's the unlucky ones that get caught.'

It's true, whether referring to silly little white lies or huge lies with massive implications. Whether someone is doing something very minor or totally heinous.

Btw I'm not asserting what's currently going on with Boris and Lie-Gate isn't serious and he shouldn't face appropriate consequences. Just saying yep, it's the unlucky ones that get caught.

Does anyone really think the world of politics isn't a cesspit of double standards, lies and back-stabbing? Of course there will be many good politicians in the mix, however I'm referring to the political machine as a whole.

 

[Lower]

That's about as deceitful as Ben Wallace claiming that Boris didn't actually tell him to do anything.
It doesn't need a specific instruction from one individual to another to pass an instruction, desire, or wish down the line of command.
The emails specifically say, "authorised by the PM".
We understand the current chaotic culture in No 10, but that chaotic culture does not explain, is not sufficient, and is no defence for lying, on the basis of, "I didn't know what I was doing, when I did it."

A special plane was chartered to fly out the animals. That plane could easily have transported people.
That plane took up bandwidth (flying/landing/loading/taking off/guarding/organising, etc.) which could have been used to evacuate people.
A C 17 can carry about 800 people, that one was used to carry about 180 animals.

No, i don't think it is as deceitful and you're choosing to ignore the differentiation between intervene and agreed.

The specific allegation as i understand it is that the PM actively intervened to get the animals out at the expense of Afghan nationals. The allegation is that Boris willingly sacrificed people's lives to save animals.

What i believe he has denied is his active intervention and that he actively drove through the rescue of the animals over humans.

The 'smoking gun' email that says the PM agreed to the animals being evacuated does not contradict his denial that he intervened in my opinion.

Getting people out wasn't a shortage of planes, it was a shortage of processing capacity for the people wanting to leave.

 

[JohnD]

We have to feel sorry for Lower.

Struggling to assemble a collection of words that will look like an excuse for our notorious lying, dishonest, deceitful Prime Minister.

 

[Lower]

We have to feel sorry for Lower.

Struggling to assemble a collection of words that will look like an excuse for our notorious lying, dishonest, deceitful Prime Minister.

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Ironically, i want Boris to go. I'm fed up with his failure to provide sufficient leadership such that the no10 staff felt that they would get away with breaking the no party rules and i'm fed up with the noise that that has created that is distracting the government from doing what they should be doing.

However, i don't like it when things are spun into something that they're not.

 

[ajohn]

Boris is reminding me of some one who said I did not have sexual relations with this women. That being true or false depends on what the term is seen to mean.

Boris is in situation that he must have been aware of what was going on but that doesn't mean he organised it. Maybe he wasn't aware. In some ways that doesn't matter as the place in covid terms was a shambles on a number of occasions that we are aware of. There is probably more in a day to day sense that we are not aware of. A culture problem.

It seems the fix will be a clear out and reorganisation leaving Boris in charge - or they hope it will be. In real terms that is a blame game.

Starner annoyed him very recently by asking a simple question. It concerned the fact that MP's who lie to the house have no alternative other than to resign. Boris had to agree with that. Then called him a lawyer. What about 1/2 truths? These could be called plausible denials. Testing capability was another type - put across as if we had it when in fact we were a long way off achieving it.

 

[BlueLoo]

Truth is becoming harder to say because it is getting harder to hear.

 

[JohnD]

Last-ditch attempt by Johnson acolyte to distract attention from shameful unfit Prime Minister.

"Queen faces end of monarchy as Rees-Mogg sparks UK republic debate"

 

[JohnD]

Maybe he wasn't aware.

Johnson is notorious as a habitual liar.

he has lied to the nation, to Parliament, to the Queen, and breaks an international treaty he himself agreed.

If his mental defect prevents him from knowing what he is doing, he remains

 

[ellal]

If his mental defect prevents him from knowing what he is doing, he remains

Credit where credit is due...

He understands that enough of the electorate are so stupid that they happily vote in a corrupt party of millionaires with a corrupt sociopathic liar as a 'leader'...

And the idiots will vote in the same way yet and yet again without bothering to think where it all went wrong