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[Deleted member 18243]

hey Andy, please can you explain what you think communism is……

Right-wing: A person is a sovereign individual free to act as he chooses but within the law.
Left-wing: A person is the property of the state and cannot act without permission of the state.

Right-wing government upholds law and order and security and is controlled by its people.
Left-wing government controls and interferes with every part of its peoples lives.

Right-wing government: is invisible but it is there when you need it.
Left-wing government: is everywhere all the time.

Right-wing people work for their living and live within their means.
Left-wing people resent working and live off other peoples money.

Right-wing people trust tradition and the wisdom of ages.
Left-wing people follow every contemporary fad and despise history.

Right-wing government manages finances prudently and take little in tax from its people.
Left-wing governments grab all a country's wealth for its elite and for weapons whilst maintaining the general population at peasant, subsistence level.

Right-wing governments: Britain pre-Blair and America pre-Obama. Trump tried.
Left-wing governments: Britain from Blair onward, especially Scotland; America under Obama and Biden. Canada. Germany, Russia, China. Everywhere else.

Right-wing: Low tax.
Left-wing: High tax.

Right-wing: Christian
Left-wing: All religion is nonsense.

Right-wing: Pro-marriage and family values
Left-wing: A person is the property of the state, not his family.

Right-wing societies: Rare, fragile, beautiful, peaceful, successful, wealthy, high achieving.
Left-wing societies: Bleak, ugly, desperate, cruel, poor, violent. A boot stamping on a human face forever.

 

[JohnD]

what a load of nonsense from Andy.

And he still has no idea what "communism" is

And pretends he has never heard of General Pinochet.

 

[Deleted member 294929]

what a load of nonsense from Andy.

And he still has no idea what "communism" is

And pretends he has never heard of General Pinochet.

Maggies friend

 

[Notch7]

Right-wing: A person is a sovereign individual free to act as he chooses but within the law.
Left-wing: A person is the property of the state and cannot act without permission of the state.

Right-wing government upholds law and order and security and is controlled by its people.
Left-wing government controls and interferes with every part of its peoples lives.

Right-wing government: is invisible but it is there when you need it.
Left-wing government: is everywhere all the time.

Right-wing people work for their living and live within their means.
Left-wing people resent working and live off other peoples money.

Right-wing people trust tradition and the wisdom of ages.
Left-wing people follow every contemporary fad and despise history.

Right-wing government manages finances prudently and take little in tax from its people.
Left-wing governments grab all a country's wealth for its elite and for weapons whilst maintaining the general population at peasant, subsistence level.

Right-wing governments: Britain pre-Blair and America pre-Obama. Trump tried.
Left-wing governments: Britain from Blair onward, especially Scotland; America under Obama and Biden. Canada. Germany, Russia, China. Everywhere else.

Right-wing societies: Rare, fragile, beautiful, peaceful, successful, wealthy, high achieving.
Left-wing societies: Bleak, ugly, desperate, cruel, poor, violent. A boot stamping on a human face forever.

Andy, thank you for your detailed answer - what you believe obviously means a lot to you.

So I get the impression you would prefer it if there was no state control, there were no rules or regulation ps - people were free to get on with what they wanted?

Without the state interfering, do you think people would have more free lives?

 

[motorbiking]

But clearly there are realities closer to the middle ground. Left wing governments tend to like big state, redistribution of wealth, comfortable safety nets, Right wing governments favour smaller state, self sufficiency and safety nets that do not discourage work.

I don't think there is much difference between the policies of the two main parties, primarily because the voters like the middle ground.

 

[securespark]

Right-wing government manages finances prudently and take little in tax from its people.

Really?

 

[Deleted member 18243]

So I get the impression you would prefer it if there was no state control, there were no rules or regulation ps - people were free to get on with what they wanted?

Without the state interfering, do you think people would have more free lives?

You never quite get it, do you? The rule of law is all important; all that is good stems from good laws being consistently adhered to and enforced.

So, it's not "no state control", it's "government maintaining law and order and national security" (The present government does none of that).
...and it's not "people free to get on with what they want", it's "people free to get on with what they want within the law".

 

[Justin Passing]

You never quite get it, do you? The rule of law is all important; all that is good stems from good laws being consistently adhered to and enforced.

So, it's not "no state control", it's "government maintaining law and order and national security" (The present government does none of that).
...and it's not "people free to get on with what they want", it's "people free to get on with what they want within the law".

I find myself agreeing with andy11.

I think I probably need a lie down.

Edit - a quick swoon and a modification; the law needs to be applied with integrity, compassion, common sense and all that. Much harder to actually do.
Autocracies of the far left and far right too often seem to be able to manage to apply their laws only through the metaphorical butt of a gun.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

the law needs to be applied with integrity, compassion,

Of course, but where you've got a nasty villain there is often nasty work required to bring him down.

But, our modern police and the justice system are nasty to nice people and nice to nasty people.

 

[transam]

All these nasty Carreer criminal types

using violence and threats to intimidate people get caught and get a sentence that in many cases amounts to a joke

 

[Justin Passing]

@andy & Trans, From all I've seen from working in a few countries, those police behaviours are much worse under regimes towards the ends of the left-right spectrum (apart from one). Worse again, under the poorly regulated.
It's wherever the excesses of the selfish human animal brain are allowed to dominate motivation. Greed, control, ego boosting and the rest, become more important to the individual in authority than what we might call decency. Some religions used to work for that - "god-fearing" meant the hocus pocus niggling at the guilty conscience. Without that, all I can see working, imperfectly, is layers of overseers doing the god job, scared of each other! The worst executives are those who believe they can behave like an animal on behalf of the state.

An exception I saw was in Dubai. As right-wing as you can get, but at the same time some benevolence. Always, at the back of the ex-pat's mind, is "Don't push it mate, or we just deport you, and no, there's no appeal. I'm sure you understand.". And everyone did, the vaguely sensible got along swimmingly. Though of course I saw little of anything outside the ex-pat bubble.
The concept of a "model" benevolent dictator is appealing, but a list from history is difficult.

Some states deal with nasty career types by simply removing them from society. Efficient to a point, and I have sympathy towards it, but it can be problematic, that.