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PM hopeful Truss blamed YOU for Britain's failure
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There are some jobs where you are told how long and how much you will be paid, guess you dont mean these though.
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It's easy for anybody to criticise other people's working terms and conditions when you get the details from the press and never having worked the job.
same goes for tradesmen.
very easy for others to tell you how easy the job is (as do most managers, from experience). Never quite so easy when you are doing that job.
self employed is what i meant, yes, but the point covers all workers. the day rate for a tradesman often seems high, but not when all the background work that goes with it is considered.
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look how easily the right are brainwashed.
Like Germany is now.
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Did you listen to her? The contempt for the working classes was clear - she thinks Brits are scum. But we'll all be praising her soon enough.
so they are now following the uk model that was in place decades ago good to see they are copying us shame we seem to have lost the way .
But have you got a breakdown of percentage german school kids going into apprenticeships and in what trades
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Nothing new. 10 years ago she co-authored, "Britannia Unchained", which said pretty much the same thing. FWIW not one of the authors of that trope has any in depth industrial management experience, or any at all.
Perhaps she'd like to explain why it is that workers in EU countries like Germany, the Netherlands, France, etc - in other words countries with higher industrial worker productivity than we have, whilst also having a better health care system which actually gets ill people treated - work in factories which have had far higher investment per worker in modern, high spec, production machinery? Which is at least part of why industrial productivity is so poor in the UK - the other major part of it is how Godawful British management really is, and how useless our governments have been since Cameron.
It's probably not worth mentioning that from the 1990s until 2007 under both the Tories and Labour this country managed a reasonable 2% or so growth in GDP every year, with growth returning to that within about 18 months of the crash right up to when the Tories came into office in 2010 - since which time growth in GDP has dropped to well under 1% per annum up until COVID. regardless of who was in no.10 and no.11. This at a time when our former EU partners were growing their economies at higher rates. What exactly does that say about the shower in office today? The fact is we have an exceedingly poor government - mediocrity on steroids
As one of those you refer to as the "lefties" I should point out that the initial strike action was indeed by the RMT and TSSA, who represent mainly lower paid rail workers - it was the rabid, carpet munching right wing press (e.g. The Mail, The Express and the Torygraph) who from the off whinged about highly paid rail workers going on strike when ASLEF weren't, at that stage, on strike. I do wish you'd get your facts right. Personally I wish the RMTY and TSSA member well - they have asked for a 9% rise, having had 3 years without a raise, But what you and other carpet munchers won't mention, is that the strike isn't just about money. It is also about passenger safety, job security and conditions of employment with the threat of fire and rehire now being encouraged by Grant Shapps. Maybe if you got off your "righty" arse and went and talked to a few rail workers you'd get a better understanding what this is about - the MSM is yet again telling half-truths and bare-faced lies
And just which "shirkers" are they? And just what have you done in life that makes you so superior to the ordinary working man? Not everyone can work in an office, or set up a business, or be a self-employed tradesman. Not everyone wants to.
Agreed, but that won't grow the economy
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Which "Lucky Bag" did you get that from? When did you last work that you think such things exist in the workplace in 2022? You really need to stop believing everything you read in the Mail - a lot of it isn't true. In my working life NONE of what you talk about has existed. Maybe in one or two car factories 40 years ago, but not now.
One thing I will say is that if a site manager comes and talks to me, unscheduled, for 20 minutes (in my 30 minute lunch break) about a work issue, I don't usually mind. I won't start my break again, but I will finish my lunch in his time, if I can. However, I am not one for going back to work without having eaten properly. Once or twice it isn't so bad, but there are some managers who do this repeatedly, even when told that by doing this they are denying people of a meal break - and a meal. Work on a continuous production line, where you are a team, and you have to go back to work when your colleagues do, when the production line starts up. So having a manager come and use part of your 30 minutes, so you can't actually get a lunch, when he should understand the need to have a break is what actually causes the problem. I wouldn't expect any white collar person to understand this - but a manager should understand this
And if you want to talk about ridiculous claims, might I suggest you take a look at some of the ridiculous expenses claims by your "golden boys" in the Tory party. Chocolate bars, for example? Hardly a good example, are they?
Self employed artisan, if I don't work, I don't eat.
RMT slammed for striking over outdated rules
RAIL UNIONS have been slammed for bringing chaos to transport links across the nation and bringing places to a standstill over outdated rules.
www.express.co.uk
2010, the year after the global financial crash, when Liam Byrne left a note for the incoming Tory govt saying 'I'm sorry, there's no money left'.
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You do know the Express tells lies, don't you? Do you actually know anyone who works for the railways? Probably not.RMT slammed for striking over outdated rules
RAIL UNIONS have been slammed for bringing chaos to transport links across the nation and bringing places to a standstill over outdated rules.
The "example" (which if you read it is actually speculative) states "you could get a competent jobber to do the job". Not electrical work in a railway works environment - that isn't allowed in public buildings unless the person is an appropriately trained electrician. Funny, but I've never met an electrician who does tiling yet, and handymen aren't allowed to undertake electrical works in places like universities, hospitals, hotels, and railway premises. In any case, in case you weren't aware most of this work is put out to subcon companies on the railways these days, and has been for 25 plus years. But then you seem to believe a paper which once ran an article about MDF being banned in the USA (or was that the Mail). BTW, it isn't
So. You are a tradesman. Most people who call themselves artisans in this part of the world as fraude. You aren't a fraud are you. Either way not everyone has the chance or ability to be a tradesman. Or even an artisan
So what. How have your golden boys performed since 2010 in comparison to other equivalent European economies, e.g,. France, Germany, Netherlands, Spain, etc. They haven't performed at all well, and Britain's economy is in freefall right now whilst other European economies are growing. Whose fault is that? It is now 2022 - you can't keep saying that everything is the fault of the government before you when they left office 12 years ago
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