NI Protocol - Windsor Framework

[Notch7]

Which all goes to show democracy was and always will be a sham

That’s true, a lot of lies were told to get Brexit done.

 

[Notch7]

The thing which seemed to upset Sammy most, was that goods going from Britain to NI through the green lane would have to have a label saying "Northern Ireland only". Big deal

I believe labelling was part of the original NIP deal that Johnson negotiated, Tories and DUP prevented it from being implemented

 

[Notch7]

The most sensible solution is to abolish all borders and to have free movement of goods and services between Britain and Ireland both North to South and East to West.

If you think that is the most sensible solution, why did you vote for Brexit, as that was the situation before Brexit.

 

[Notch7]

Actually, the war started in 2014 because the legitimate government of Ukraine was overthrown when it changed its mind about trade deal with the EU.

Glad i was able to help you.

Thats bolox

In 2014, President Viktor Yanukovych backed out of signing a Union Agreement with the European Union and instead tried do a deal with Putin.

Yanukovych is best mates with Putin. In fact Putin is his daughters godparent.


Why do you persist in spreading Putin propaganda

 

[Notch7]

If the British government and the Unionists don't want a hard border between North and South, who, in your opinion wil erect this hard border

don’t be so silly, there’s a good chap

 

[Vinty]

don’t be so silly, there’s a good chap

No answer then.

 

[Vinty]

Yanukovych is best mates with Putin. In fact Putin is his daughters godparent

So what.
Yanukovych was democratically elected.
That is what counts.
Ukraine is a corrupt state just like Russia.
It is run by Oligarchs, Zelenskys patron is a billionaire Oligarch, he would have never have been made President without the backing of this particular bloke.

 

[Vinty]

In 2014, President Viktor Yanukovych backed out of signing a Union Agreement with the European Union and instead tried do a deal with Putin

Yanukovych decided to withdraw his support for the EU deal, as President, that was his perogative.
If the electorate are unhappy with his decision they could have voted him out at the next election, or he could have been forced to resign by his party and new elections called to elect a new leader.
That is how democracy is supposed to work.
Instead, mobs egged on by foreign politicians took to streets and attacked the police, this is what kicked off the uprising by Russian speakers in Eastern Ukraine.

 

[Notch7]

Yanukovych was democratically elected.
That is what counts

WRONG

he is a Putin puppet, he was acting on behalf of Putin not Ukraine.



how he got elected is not relevant…..just a lazy strawman.

Ukraine is a corrupt state just like Russia

Sure Ukraine has corruption.

So does Brexit Britain.

neither have any equivalence to Russia.

 

[Notch7]

Yanukovych decided to withdraw his support for the EU deal, as President, that was his perogative.
If the electorate are unhappy with his decision they could have voted him out at the next election, or he could have been forced to resign by his party and new elections called to elect a new leader.
That is how democracy is supposed to work.
Instead, mobs egged on by foreign politicians took to streets and attacked the police, this is what kicked off the uprising by Russian speakers in Eastern Ukraine.

untrue.

pure Putin propaganda.

do you have a subscription to RT?

 

[Vinty]

The hard border between north and south was the only alternative to the one down the Irish Sea under EU rules

The EUs land border with the UK is between N.Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.
So why has the EUs border been placed within UK territory.

 

[Vinty]

how he got elected is not relevant…..just a lazy strawman

So the fact that he and his government were democratically elected is irrelevant.
Following that logic, any group or individual in a democracy who feels aggrieved about their treatment by government, is justified in using physical force to remove that government.
Your attitude explains the behaviour of the remain faction after the 2016 referendum.
Europhilia and Fascism appear to be 2 sides of the same coin.

 

[Vinty]

do you have a subscription to RT

No, RT is banned in the UK, unlike the BBC in Russia.

 

[Vinty]

neither have any equivalence to Russia

Correct, Russia is probably less corrupt than Ukraine and Britain.
LOL.

 

[Bosswhite]

they did. But then we had progress and decided we didnt want it

And now we have progressed even further , we decided we now want it back .