There were warnings agree, there probably always are. The FT analysis is probably reasonably accurate.
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October 7th 2024
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There were warnings agree, there probably always are. The FT analysis is probably reasonably accurate.
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I'd need to know the wording of the warning to comment on that, can you tell me the wording of this telephone warning?
If the FT link is paywalled this is the main jist.
The warnings were not hard intelligence about a specific attack, they said. Egypt instead relayed concerns that “matters could explode because of the political and humanitarian situation in Gaza”, one of the people said. The other called it a “general warning”.Israel has denied that it received a specific warning of Saturday’s attack, which killed at least 1,200 Israelis, according to officials, and sparked war with Hamas militants who carried out the multipronged assault. Palestinian authorities say more than 1,000 people have been killed in Gaza since Saturday.Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu has described reports that he received a specific Egyptian warning ahead of the attack as “absolutely false” and “totally fake news”.Egypt shares a border with Gaza in its North Sinai region, where it has over the past decade fought a counterinsurgency against Isis militants. Egyptian officials fear that fallout from the conflict will spill over the border, in particular by driving Palestinian refugees into Sinai.
The warnings were not hard intelligence about a specific attack, they said. Egypt instead relayed concerns that “matters could explode because of the political and humanitarian situation in Gaza”, one of the people said. The other called it a “general warning”.Israel has denied that it received a specific warning of Saturday’s attack, which killed at least 1,200 Israelis, according to officials, and sparked war with Hamas militants who carried out the multipronged assault. Palestinian authorities say more than 1,000 people have been killed in Gaza since Saturday.Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu has described reports that he received a specific Egyptian warning ahead of the attack as “absolutely false” and “totally fake news”.Egypt shares a border with Gaza in its North Sinai region, where it has over the past decade fought a counterinsurgency against Isis militants. Egyptian officials fear that fallout from the conflict will spill over the border, in particular by driving Palestinian refugees into Sinai.
Israel was warned by Egypt of potential violence three days before Hamas' deadly cross-border raid, a US congressional panel chairman has said.
House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee head Michael McCaul told reporters of the alleged warning.
Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu described the reports as "absolutely false".
Israeli intelligence services are under scrutiny for their failure to prevent the deadliest attack by Palestinian militants in Israel's 75-year history.
"We know that Egypt has warned the Israelis three days prior that an event like this could happen," Mr McCaul told reporters following a closed-door intelligence briefing on Wednesday for lawmakers about the Middle East crisis, according to AFP news agency.
"I don't want to get too much into classified, but a warning was given," the Texas Republican added. "I think the question was at what level."
WE KNOW THAT EGYPT HAS WARNED
AN EVENT LIKE THIS ....doesnt sound like an everyday rocket attack
House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee head Michael McCaul told reporters of the alleged warning.
Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu described the reports as "absolutely false".
Israeli intelligence services are under scrutiny for their failure to prevent the deadliest attack by Palestinian militants in Israel's 75-year history.
"We know that Egypt has warned the Israelis three days prior that an event like this could happen," Mr McCaul told reporters following a closed-door intelligence briefing on Wednesday for lawmakers about the Middle East crisis, according to AFP news agency.
"I don't want to get too much into classified, but a warning was given," the Texas Republican added. "I think the question was at what level."
WE KNOW THAT EGYPT HAS WARNED
AN EVENT LIKE THIS ....doesnt sound like an everyday rocket attack
Since the attack, Israel media has picked over what went wrong. A picture has emerged of top commanders caught between their growing concern after warnings of a possible mass attack into southern Israel from Gaza, and the prevailing belief among senior officers and the top political leadership that Hamas had been deterred by repeated bouts of conflict. Many officials were convinced that huge sums of direct aid sent into Gaza from Qatar and other economic incentives such as permits for Palestinian labourers to work in Israel had also convinced Hamas, which had been in power since 2007, to forgo violence in at least the short term. At a counter-terrorism conference months before the attack, David Barnea, head of the Mossad, Israeli’s main foreign intelligence service, did not mention Hamas in a speech about potential threats to the country.
“We were complacent and lazy and suffered a sort of groupthink and we are going to pay a huge price for that,” one military intelligence officer, a specialist in Gaza, told the Guardian shortly after the October 7th attack.
“There were vehicles that simply didn’t run, equipment that didn’t work, patrols that didn’t happen because there was no threat. When we asked how we were meant to fight back if there was a big attack, they told us … it just wouldn’t happen,” a reservist combat medic said last month.
Just days before the attack, a series of mistakes were made. Concerned local military commanders ordered assessments, which reported intense training by elite Hamas fighters, but failed to act. When dozens, possibly hundreds, of Israeli sim cards suddenly were connected to Israeli networks in the early hours of 7 October, Shin Bet, Israel’s domestic security service, sent only a small team to the border. At a hastily convened meeting at about 3.30am on 7 October, senior IDF officers remained unsure if the unusual Hamas activity in Gaza was a training exercise or preparation for an attack.
“We were complacent and lazy and suffered a sort of groupthink and we are going to pay a huge price for that,” one military intelligence officer, a specialist in Gaza, told the Guardian shortly after the October 7th attack.
“There were vehicles that simply didn’t run, equipment that didn’t work, patrols that didn’t happen because there was no threat. When we asked how we were meant to fight back if there was a big attack, they told us … it just wouldn’t happen,” a reservist combat medic said last month.
Just days before the attack, a series of mistakes were made. Concerned local military commanders ordered assessments, which reported intense training by elite Hamas fighters, but failed to act. When dozens, possibly hundreds, of Israeli sim cards suddenly were connected to Israeli networks in the early hours of 7 October, Shin Bet, Israel’s domestic security service, sent only a small team to the border. At a hastily convened meeting at about 3.30am on 7 October, senior IDF officers remained unsure if the unusual Hamas activity in Gaza was a training exercise or preparation for an attack.
OK, maybe Israel should have heeded the warnings for 'potential violence' and pre-emptively invaded Gaza, is that what you're saying?
Are you saying the so called number 1 intelligence agency in the world who can get exploding pagers into hundreds of terrorists pockets wouldnt have heeded the warning despite having all the leaders under constant surveillance physically and technology wise ?
Again, you'll need to tell me the what the 'exact warning' was. So far you've come up with a warning of 'potential violence'.
Might have been more than hundreds, about 2700 people were wounded.
“We were complacent and lazy and suffered a sort of groupthink and we are going to pay a huge price for that,” one military intelligence officer, a specialist in Gaza, told the Guardian shortly after the October 7th attack.
Never underestimate your enemy. Has anyone been questioned at the highest level over this gross dereliction of duty?
Never underestimate your enemy. Has anyone been questioned at the highest level over this gross dereliction of duty?
"Has anyone been thrown under the bus, to protect those higher up?", might be a more correct way of phrasing this.
what bit of US intelligence agencies saying an event like what happened they were warned about are you not getting
The bit that says 'warned by Egypt of potential violence'.
no the bit that say an EVENT LIKE this , you know not a every day rocket attack or kidnapping or isolated kidnapping but what actually happened
Only by conspiracy theorists.
