Trump Inauguration speech.

[carmanmemoranda]

Another nail in their coffin, more like.

I've yet to see any proof that oil and gas is the future.

A necessary temporary prop maybe, but nothing more .

Necessity is the mother of invention, and that's where we should be aiming. Not backwards

 

[fillyboy]

I've yet to see any proof that oil and gas is the future.

A necessary temporary prop maybe, but nothing more .

Necessity is the mother of invention, and that's where we should be aiming. Not backwards

Yes, but not in 5 short years. UK has already started backpedaling on some net zero targets,. it will have to backpedal a little faster to save the economy.
Much has been made of Trump pulling out of the Paris climate agreement but even Trumps critics agree the Paris agreement hasn't really achieved much.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

I've yet to see any proof that oil and gas is the future.

Agree, as it's a finite resource. However, it will do fo the here and now. China realise that, US realise that now. We will be at a massive disadvantage unless we use our resources sensibly.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Yes, but not in 5 short years. UK has already started backpedaling on some net zero targets,. it will have to backpedal a little faster to save the economy.
Much has been made of Trump pulling out of the Paris climate agreement but even Trumps critics agree the Paris agreement hasn't really achieved much.

The longer you delay the worse it gets.
Targets are needed.

Easy? No. Necessary? Depends on your view I guess, but I still don't see gas and oil as the future.

Do you think the priority should be the future, or the past ?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Agree, as it's a finite resource. However, it will do fo the here and now. China realise that, US realise that now. We will be at a massive disadvantage unless we use our resources sensibly.

Or we could emerge as world leaders.

Or stay beholden to the oil rich of course

 

[fillyboy]

Or we could emerge as world leaders.

Or stay beholden to the oil rich of course

World leaders in the race to the bottom.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

World leaders in the race to the bottom.

You think paying through the nose for gas and oil , which will get even more expensive is the way to the top ?

I dont

 

[Brigadier]

Yes, but not in 5 short years.

From now: not from when it was set as a target.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

Or we could emerge as world leaders.

Or stay beholden to the oil rich of course

We won't be leaders of anything because we can't compete. Anyway, all our windmills are Chinese made and installed by European countries and run by French energy companies. How are we leading?

We have our own oil and gas and massive reserves of coal if needed. Starmer and Millipede are gradually shutting down North Sea extraction.

 

[fillyboy]

From now: not from when it was set as a target.

Hasn't the target moved once or twice, 2050 and 2035 sound familiar.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Nope. He wasnt convicted of rape.

He's an adjudicated rapist. Are you denying that?

Nothing wrong in liking a convicted felon even if, in this case its all because of media hype and lies and stigmatism...

Just read that back to yourself

I have relatives who have convictions. They made mistakes. Does that mean they should be ostracized?

Does it make them the right type to follow and copy?

You are yet another sheep following the rest!!

I'm not following the herd though. You are

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Hasn't the target moved once or twice, 2050 and 2035 sound familiar.

Better to move the targets and keep aiming than not trying at all don't you think ?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

We won't be leaders of anything because we can't compete. Anyway, all our windmills are Chinese made and installed by European countries and run by French energy companies. How are we leading?

I'm very aware of our poor recent leadership

We have our own oil and gas and massive reserves of coal if needed. Starmer and Millipede are gradually shutting down North Sea extraction.

Why can't we look to progress, not just keep hanging on?

 

[Brigadier]

In 2008, set at 80% by 2050.
In 2019, tightened to "net zero".

Not "five short years".

 

[fillyboy]

Better to move the targets and keep aiming than not trying at all don't you think ?

If it doesn't destroy industry or increase the cost of living to unsustainable levels, then yes.