Another thread arguing about the value of vaccines (Ed.)

[ellal]

From the 'virus' inquiry...

"The creation of the vaccine taskforce, headed by the venture capitalist and Whitehall outsider Dame Kate Bingham, was a pivotal moment. Backed by £5.2bn from the Treasury, the VTF secured access to seven vaccines in development. Each was considered to have only a 5% to 10% chance of being safe and effective. “It was a form of spread-betting by any other name,” Prof Jonathan Van-Tam, the former deputy chief medical officer for England, told the inquiry"

"Key to securing the contracts was the provision of case-by-case indemnities to the pharmaceutical companies, meaning that rather than a complete bar on them being sued, the government would pay damages and legal costs in certain circumstances"

Spread betting?

More like treating people as Guinea Pigs!

Strange how every one I know who didn't succumb to 'spread betting' came through the 'virus' ok...

I guess we took the safer bet

 

[noseall]

From the 'virus' inquiry...

"The creation of the vaccine taskforce, headed by the venture capitalist and Whitehall outsider Dame Kate Bingham, was a pivotal moment. Backed by £5.2bn from the Treasury, the VTF secured access to seven vaccines in development. Each was considered to have only a 5% to 10% chance of being safe and effective. “It was a form of spread-betting by any other name,” Prof Jonathan Van-Tam, the former deputy chief medical officer for England, told the inquiry"

"Key to securing the contracts was the provision of case-by-case indemnities to the pharmaceutical companies, meaning that rather than a complete bar on them being sued, the government would pay damages and legal costs in certain circumstances"

Spread betting?

More like treating people as Guinea Pigs!

Strange how every one I know who didn't succumb to 'spread betting' came through the 'virus' ok...

I guess we took the safer bet

Eh?

 

[Mottie]

Also from the enquiry:

In an opening statement to the inquiry, Hugo Keith KC said that in its aim to protect at a population level, “the vaccine programme succeeded”. In the first nine months, the shots prevented more than 23m infections and 123,000 deaths in the UK, where more than 90% of people age 12 and over have received at least one dose. “It is beyond argument that vaccinated people were far less likely to get Covid-19 with symptoms,” Keith said. “They were even more unlikely to get serious Covid, to be admitted into hospital, or to die from it.”


"The Recovery trial, one of the most successful clinical trials in history, proved critical in the pandemic. Led by Oxford University, it showed that a readily available steroid, dexamethasone, was a lifesaver. By March 2021, the inquiry heard, dexamethasone had saved about 22,000 UK lives and 1 million lives globally".

Strange how every one I know who didn't succumb to 'spread betting' came through the 'virus' ok...

I find that internet mystery men tend to be fantasists and loners anyway so I’d be surprised if you knew many people in the first place.

 

[motorbiking]

The strategy was genius, thousands of lives saved. Many antivaxers are alive because others opted for the vaccine.

Perhaps they’d show some gratitude to those who took a tiny risk for the good of all.

 

[Brigadier]

population level,

Is the key.

 

[Notch7]

Strange how every one I know who didn't succumb to 'spread betting' came through the 'virus' ok...

I guess we took the safer bet

Statistically you didn’t take the safe bet.

Risk of side effects from the vaccine were and still are way lower than risk of side effects from covid.

Millions of people that suffered and still suffer from long covid agree.



Ellal, go and talk to somebody who is suffering from long covid, see what they say about your claim of “safer bet”

 

[Notch7]

Many antivaxers are alive because others opted for the vaccine.

This ^^

 

[Mottie]

Ellal, go and talk to somebody who is suffering from long covid, see what they say about your claim of “safer bet”

Better still, talk to your 'doctor' 'sons' and let us know what they thought about it.

 

[denso13]

I guess we took the safer bet

The antivaxxers were also saved by those who took the vaccine. You're welcome...

 

[Notch7]

It’s interesting how people who have been vaccinated aren’t at all interested in making a fuss about their decision.

Yet Ellal never stops bleating about how he made the correct decision.


Obviously anti vaxxers like Ellal aren’t very sure about their decision as they constantly seek validation.

Come on Ellal, you made your decision, be happy with it and move on

 

[carmanmemoranda]

I've had the vaccine, and boosters.

I can't not have it.

It was the correct option

 

[ellal]

Statistically you didn’t take the safe bet.

Actually I did

Millions of people that suffered and still suffer from long covid agree.

Define 'long covid'...

Oh that's right there is no definition

Obviously anti vaxxers like Ellal aren’t very sure about their decision as they constantly seek validation.

PMSL...

Not only can you not come up with a definition of an 'anti vaxxer', you are one of those sh*tting yourself thinking did you get it wrong...

Not me!

Come on Ellal, you made your decision, be happy with it and move on

Just like you were happy with your erroneous brexit vote and just 'moved on'?

 

[denso13]

Define 'long covid'...

Long Covid, also known as post Covid-19 syndrome, is when Covid-19 lasts for several weeks or months after the initial illness.

The World Health Organization (WHO) defines long Covid as symptoms that start (usually) within 3 months of having Covid-19, last for at least 2 months, and cannot be explained by another condition.

The National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (NICE), says that the term ‘long Covid’ can also refer to Covid-19 symptoms that last 4 to 12 weeks after infection.

Long Covid: symptoms, tests and treatment

Learn more about symptoms of long Covid, how many months it can last, and where to find support.

www.bhf.org.uk

Not only can you not come up with a definition of an 'anti vaxxer'

Like jab junkie you mean.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Actually I did

Not what the statistics show

Define 'long covid'...

Oh that's right there is no definition

There is, if you look

PMSL...

Not only can you not come up with a definition of an 'anti vaxxer', you are one of those sh*tting yourself thinking did you get it wrong...

Not me!

Anti vaxxer is straight forward. People constantly trying wrongly to prove the vaccine wasn't successful

Just like you were happy with your erroneous brexit vote and just 'moved on'?

What are you trying to say to those that have had the vaccine, and cannot now, not have it. I've had it, and am happy I did. Are you trying to tell me that I would have been better off without it? Go on then, I will wait for your proof of that

 

[Deleted member 265726]

I'm with Ellal on this even though we disagree on almost everything else. I had two Moderna vaccines for Covid and suffered lifelong changes to my body. These changes were not listed on the 'adverse reactions' list. I had Covid twice after both vaccines. I had never had any ill effects from any of the vaccinations I have had over my lifetime; tetanus, polio, mmr, yellow fever, hepatitis and more. But then, none of those vaccinations were gene therapy as I understand it. I regret having them. I would not accept another vaccination again. Everyone is different but for me it was a mistake and one I will never repeat again.