Reform lead the polls

I hope all these reform voters ....who of course will never get old , ill or need the NHS realise that farage is lying to them big time again with regard to future health systems

He's a big fan of running down the NHS but France spends far more on its state provision than we do so it's clearly poppycock to think a bigger mix of private insurance is the holy grail

Indeed his boyfriend Trump's USA is top of the tree for so many poor health indexes within developed nations that if we follow that system we are absolutely walking into a nightmare

Sadly the reform voters are so stupid and lost its not worth trying to educate them as to how appalling voting for a farage style government would be for everybody

Apart from Farage and his best mates
 
And has been said ....he's high in the polls because reform is saying immigration needs to be controlled ....no argument from me .....but not explaining what he will do about it

There is no doubt the dreadful murder of those poor kids in Southport ....blamed on an immigrant .....when he was born in Cardiff and lived in the UK....boosted the right wing vote

Some of the people I know who are now saying they are going to vote reform are lost I am afraid , it's pointless having them as friends or acquaintances
 
They have previously proposed push-back and take-back for the illegals.
 
Control of immigration is a big vote winner for any party, so why didn't the Tories after 14 years and with their large majority in Parliament control immigration.?

Could it be because they didn't want to admit that due to the structure of the economy and demographics, immigration can't be reduced to levels acceptable to the public.

The Tories made a big deal out of token restrictions on immigration from Europe only to replace European immigrants with accelerated levels of immigration from Asia and Africa.

Rishi Sunak before he was kicked out of office , presided over some of the highest levels of immigration from Asia on record, the question is why would he do that if he knew that it would damage his career.
 
Rishi Sunak before he was kicked out of office , presided over some of the highest levels of immigration from Asia on record, the question is why would he do that if he knew that it would damage his career.

Two words. Brexit.
 
The best way of dealing with reform is to accept around 20 percent of the population are stupid and think immigration is to blame for everything

Labour , liberals and the moderate Tories who should really all join up and form a centre ground party ....need to be straight to voters who have half a brain and admit that immigration can only be controlled.....never stopped

I think reform have got that 20 percent and it's pointless trying to argue with idiots

If the country is insane enough to vote for a reform government then turn off the lights because it's goodnight
 
the question is why would he do that if he knew that it would damage his career.
Do any of them actually care about their career or what the are supposedly standing for? They'll be out, generally in five years, and can write their memoirs and move on. Truss made a hash of things with no personal repercussions.

Trump being a prime example. His presidency is an extension of his empire and all he is going to do is shock for the next 4 years no matter what. He'll get worse and worse. lie and cheat, grift like he usually does. That's what he does, it's all about the Trump legacy.

There must be some politicians who are there to make things better. It's hard to tell who they are sometimes.
 
Trump being a prime example. His presidency is an extension of his empire and all he is going to do is shock for the next 4 years no matter what. He'll get worse and worse. lie and cheat, grift like he usually does. That's what he does, it's all about the Trump legacy.
Look on the bright side, Trump is about 80, obese, lives on Macdonalds and diet coke, is on a downward spiral of dementia, falls out with all his acolytes.
 
Regardless of anyone's views on Reform, it makes me laugh (or should that be concerned) that many people do nothing but slag them off, either oblivious or in denial as to why such parties are gaining in popularity.

The Democrats and their supporters are doing something similar in the states. Still blaming anything and everything except their own failings.

The masses are getting increasingly concerned about ever worsening services, increasing costs and immigration. The established parties should ignore this at their peril.
 
Control of immigration is a big vote winner for any party, so why didn't the Tories after 14 years and with their large majority in Parliament control immigration.?

Could it be because they didn't want to admit that due to the structure of the economy and demographics, immigration can't be reduced to levels acceptable to the public.

The Tories made a big deal out of token restrictions on immigration from Europe only to replace European immigrants with accelerated levels of immigration from Asia and Africa.

Rishi Sunak before he was kicked out of office , presided over some of the highest levels of immigration from Asia on record, the question is why would he do that if he knew that it would damage his career.
Pensioners vote Tory

Tory voting pensioners dont like immigrants
Tory voting pensioners dont like long NHS waiting times or shortages of care staff in care homes....and that needs immigrants to avoid
 
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