They Shoot Horses, don't they?

[Odds]

Its almost like they had a look at how the Family court works, in Financial despite remedy and followed the process. I cannot see any role for a high court judge in this process, but I am starting to think that this will get mighty expensive for the poor sod seeking permission to end their life. In financial remedies the applicants have the option of private arbitration or Private Financial Dispute Remedy. No Judge needed. With a panel of experts and advocates. This will mean another £10-15k added to the costs.

would a provision to apply for legal aid be available in certain circumstances?

 

[motorbiking]

The law society is pushing for that, for obvious ££ reasons.

Personally I think it should not be publicly funded.

The bill has lost all merit in my opinion. The goal should have been for people with terminal illness at any reasonable stage to choose to end their life before their illness removes all traces of what they consider to be their identity. Any checks should be about soundness of mind, certainty of decision and a clear understanding of the path of the illness. They already have the ability to commit suicide, and for me that should have been the backdrop of the bill.

 

[Odds]

The law society is pushing for that, for obvious ££ reasons.

Personally I think it should not be publicly funded.

I don't think the bill is making a case for public funding but allowing access to legal aid for people who cannot afford a lengthy assessment is surely a democratic way of giving anyone who wishes to do so.

The bill has lost all merit in my opinion. The goal should have been for people with terminal illness at any reasonable stage to choose to end their life before their illness removes all traces of what they consider to be their identity. Any checks should be about soundness of mind, certainty of decision and a clear understanding of the path of the illness.

They already have the ability to commit suicide, and for me that should have been the backdrop of the bill.

As already mentioned in the thread, suicide is not an option for Christian folk who fear what it means for their soul. You might not believe it matters but they do.

 

[motorbiking]

As already mentioned in the thread, suicide is not an option for Christian folk who fear what it means for their soul. You might not believe it matters but they do.

I'd be surprised if many considered state sanctioned, meant God sanctioned. Have you found anything that suggests Church endorsement? I understood they were opposed to it.

I don't think the bill is making a case for public funding but allowing access to legal aid for people who cannot afford a lengthy assessment is surely a democratic way of giving anyone who wishes to do so.

Better to cut the lawyers out of the process and simplify the bill. Something similar to a Parole Board would be better, with people from a wide range of backgrounds sitting.

The more complex we make this assisted process, the more time it will take take and the more cost it will consume.

The one thing these people don't have is time.

 

[Andy165]

There is a lot of money in the dieing game. The Legal Profession and Religions don't like to let a cash cow go easily. Them and the Church are trying to bring down the bill as its affects their finance revenue.

 

[Deleted member 265726]

There is a lot of money in the dieing game. The Legal Profession and Religions don't like to let a cash cow go easily. Them and the Church are trying to bring down the bill as its affects their finance revenue.

It couldn't be they are arguing the moral implication of State sanctioned killing? The consequences of this, will make the argument against bringing back the death penalty as capital punishment very difficult indeed imho.

 

[Odds]

I'd be surprised if many considered state sanctioned, meant God sanctioned. Have you found anything that suggests Church endorsement? I understood they were opposed to it.

The Anglican Church has spoken out against the Bill but Christians with a terminal illness have to struggle with their conscience, torn between a mortal sin and a criminal act in order to end their lives with dignity.

Better to cut the lawyers out of the process and simplify the bill. Something similar to a Parole Board would be better, with people from a wide range of backgrounds sitting.

The more complex we make this assisted process, the more time it will take take and the more cost it will consume.

The one thing these people don't have is time.

I'm sure an assessment board will take the medical opinion of how much time is left to the applicant in order to come to a considered decision.

 

[Notch7]

State sanctioned killing?

You do talk nonsense

You are driven by looking for conspiracies in everything.


It’s not state sanctioned killing….that’s slogan used by fools


Nurses who work in end of life care support the bill…..because they see the suffering everyday.

Perhaps you’ve not seen what end of life looks like…..go into a hospital ward containing elderly patients, then you will see

 

[Notch7]

The consequences of this, will make the argument against bringing back the death penalty as capital punishment very difficult indeed imho

I bet you read that on Twitter.

It’s nonsense.

Death penalty and assisted dying have no connection with one another….only a weird twisted soul would think so.

 

[motorbiking]

The Anglican Church has spoken out against the Bill but Christians with a terminal illness have to struggle with their conscience, torn between a mortal sin and a criminal act in order to end their lives with dignity.


I'm sure an assessment board will take the medical opinion of how much time is left to the applicant in order to come to a considered decision.

Suicide is not illegal. God not wanting you to take your own life is not changed by the passage of the bill in to law.

As I said, this bill only has a chance of being useful, if the lawyers are kept away.

 

[Deleted member 265726]

You do talk nonsense

You are driven by looking for conspiracies in everything.


It’s not state sanctioned killing….that’s slogan used by fools


Nurses who work in end of life care support the bill…..because they see the suffering everyday.

Perhaps you’ve not seen what end of life looks like…..go into a hospital ward containing elderly patients, then you will see

If one is considered a mercy killing, the other could be considered the same.

 

[MNW67]

As I said, this bill only has a chance of being useful, if the lawyers are kept away.

Baby steps. This is the only way to get it into law. Then they can reassess the protections going forward. It is the start of a long process.

 

[motorbiking]

Baby steps. This is the only way to get it into law. Then they can reassess the protections going forward. It is the start of a long process.

Bad law takes a long time to fix.

 

[MNW67]

Bad law takes a long time to fix.

I know. But there doesn't seem to be another way at the moment.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

If one is considered a mercy killing, the other could be considered the same.

No

1 is allowing somebody freedom to stop them , or their close family, suffering.

1 is punishment. Too often it's been proven, too late, that it was wrong. And often allows a certain type, their martyrdom.

Quite a noticeable difference