Zuckerberg, Trump, Musk. The truth.

[Notch7]

This is a photo of an encampment taken in Santa Cruz, CALIFORNIA, which is predominantly democrat.

Beyond the Benchlands: Under lawsuit threat, Santa Cruz sets plan to clear homeless camp. What happens next?

Santa Cruz began clearing the Benchlands this week, but city leaders acknowledge that this could be a slow process depending on the number of shelter beds it can provide and the willingness of those in the encampment along the San Lorenzo River to relocate.

lookout.co

Irrelevant

America suffers high levels of wealth inequality.

Democrats are right of centre neoliberals, they do little to address the problems.

 

[Deleted member 265726]

Irrelevant

America suffers high levels of wealth inequality.

Democrats are right of centre neoliberals, they do little to address the problems.

Most countries do Notch. Unless you want to over throw a government, this is how it is. No amount of moaning on a forum will bring about change... anywhere.

 

[Highway Man]

Zuckerberg, Bezos, Musk we’re all right up the front at Trumps inauguration.

Why?

A = because Trump is going to make billionaires even richer

Trump is going to cut taxes for the ultra rich and get taxes from tariffs paid for by ordinary Anericans

Fillyboy
Lirefighter
.
Gas112
Mottie

Think that’s great

Do you really believe this & believe that a billionaire would be bothered about chasing after money

 

[Notch7]

Do you really believe this & believe that a billionaire would be bothered about chasing after money

I don’t need to believe it.

Trump has already stated he will slash corporation tax
Trump has already increased tariffs

Those 2 things make ordinary people poorer and billionaires richer

 

[Lirefighter]

Cutting business taxes encourages companies to employ more people and increase investment on their own infrastructure for growth.
Something our current bunch of incompetents are slowly beginning to learn.
Well, I bloody hope they are.
Rachel from accounts is not going to last long in her position at this rate.
Mind you, I don't think 'two tier, free gear, never here, Starmer lama, farmer harmer Keir, is switched on enough to see it.
They are absolutely hopeless!

 

[fillyboy]

two tier, free gear, never here, Starmer lama, farmer harmer Keir,

 

[Justin Passing]

Kulak : A fair few people will have heard of those

No they dont

It's a very niche word.

No reason why somebody shouldn't know it, but I'd guess the vast majority have never heard it before

Not a word that, without some Russian connection would be used in everyday speech

Oh well. At least notchy is aware of the word now.
Had you heard of it before yesterday?

It's not, knowing the history, that's important in this context .

It's the why

I am sure he has a good reason to know detailed russian history.

Detailed? I learned in in O level HIstory. Kulaks were part of what lead to the Russian revolution which is still taught in GCSE..
History is the most popular single subject after Maths and English, twice as popular as, say, French.

Anyone who thinks few on this forum would have heard of it is betraying the level of their own education and their opinion of others'.

Come on Filly, be a man and admit Trump is wrecking America

What would you know, Notch? You're a populist spewing leftie, no more.

The context on this thread is about the way that some (deranged lefties in particular) think that it's a good idea to demonise people who have got on in life, purely because they have been successful.

Yes.

Lefties demonise billionaires who use their power to influence govts for self interest.
MAGAs haven’t realised that growing wealth inequality is making low paid and middle income Americans worse off.

Lefties care more about being popular that getting things right.
Not that that's unique to them.
Lefty gobbies tend to be extremely ignorant on economics, and don't seem to care very much about that as long as they get elected.
The quote simply does not need to follow. Governance is the regulator, so blame that, not the better off.
It's shyte, like saying that electric cars should be banned because more people will die. If you can't work that one out, count yourself too dull to comment. Then ask yourself why they aren't.
People are not born equal. The more encouraging the general environment, the wider the wealth inequality you would expect. You also make the poor better off. You also encourage gobshytes who think they should get more, to whine more. You also need a government which manages the benefits sensibly - a word with a lot of ramifications.

America suffers high levels of wealth inequality.
Democrats are right of centre neoliberals, they do little to address the problems.

"Suffers"? Tendentious crap.
Theirs is Lower than Russia Sweden, Brazil, Philippines
That's a lot of people. I don't hear you whining about those.

Trump has already stated he will slash corporation tax
Trump has already increased tariffs
Those 2 things make ordinary people poorer and billionaires richer

Tariffs will, in his estimation, lead to more jobs in the US.
Corporation tax cuts will lead to higher employment because companies will have life easier.
If they make more of their own shoes, which end of the spectrum has more people benefitting?
Fewer low paid workers in foreign countries will have jobs - do you care about those??
Billionaires I first think of in the US are global anyway, they don't care much.

You need to stop spouting dumb stuff, Notchy. Your urge to be a noisy leftie populist masks everything.

 

[Notch7]

Tariffs will, in his estimation, lead to more jobs in the US

WRONG

“By 2019, President Donald Trump's tariffs on steel and aluminum had cost the U.S. economy 75,000 jobs among companies that use metals to produce products, and gained 1,000 jobs in metal production. In other words, more metal tariffs could damage a lot more U.S. jobs than they save”

How Trump's Metal Tariffs Could Eliminate 75x More US Jobs Than They Save

President Donald Trump’s tariffs on steel and aluminum may boost job creation at companies that make those metals, but could cause massive job losses at companies that use them, if history is any guide.

www.investopedia.com

Corporation tax cuts will lead to higher employment because companies will have life easier

WRONG

Six years later, more evidence shows the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act benefits U.S. business owners and executives, not average workers​

Six years later, more evidence shows the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act benefits U.S. business owners and executives, not average workers

New study further reinforces that the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017 benefited highly paid executives, not the vast majority of U.S. workers

equitablegrowth.org

If they make more of their own shoes, which end of the spectrum has more people benefitting?

WRONG

Why The American Shoe Disappeared And Why It's So Hard To Bring It Back​

For a shoe-factory job paying $12 an hour, the actual cost of shoemaking — when adding benefits — grows to $16 an hour, compared with about $3 an hour in China, said Mike Jeppesen, head of global operations at Wolverine Worldwide, which owns brands like Merrell, Sperry and Keds. And that cost quadruples after wholesale and retail markups, he said, ballooning into a $50 price difference between a pair made in the U.S. versus in China.

"There's really very little commercial reason for why you would make footwear in the U.S. today,"

Six years later, more evidence shows the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act benefits U.S. business owners and executives, not average workers

New study further reinforces that the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017 benefited highly paid executives, not the vast majority of U.S. workers

equitablegrowth.org

Billionaires I first think of in the US are global anyway, they don't care much

WRONG

"Suffers"? Tendentious crap

WRONG

• By most indicators, the US is one of the world’s wealthiest countries. It spends more on national defense than China, Saudi Arabia, Russia, the United Kingdom, India, France and Japan combined.
• US healthcare expenditures per capita are double the OECD average and much higher than in all other countries. But there are many fewer doctors and hospital beds per person than the OECD average.
• US infant mortality rates in 2013 were the highest in the developed world.
• Americans can expect to live shorter and sicker lives, compared to people living in any other rich democracy, and the “health gap” between the US and its peer countries continues to grow.
• US inequality levels are far higher than those in most European countries
• Neglected tropical diseases, including Zika, are increasingly common in the USA. It has been estimated that 12 million Americans live with a neglected parasitic infection. A 2017 report documents the prevalence of hookworm in Lowndes County, Alabama.
• The US has the highest prevalence of obesity in the developed world.
• In terms of access to water and sanitation the US ranks 36th in the world.
• America has the highest incarceration rate in the world, ahead of Turkmenistan, El Salvador, Cuba, Thailand and the Russian Federation. Its rate is nearly five times the OECD average.
• The youth poverty rate in the United States is the highest across the OECD with one quarter of youth living in poverty compared to less than 14% across the OECD.
• The Stanford Center on Inequality and Poverty ranks the most well-off countries in terms of labor markets, poverty, safety net, wealth inequality, and economic mobility. The US comes in last of the top 10 most well-off countries, and 18th amongst the top 21.
• In the OECD the US ranks 35th out of 37 in terms of poverty and inequality.
• According to the World Income Inequality Database, the US has the highest Gini rate (measuring inequality) of all Western Countries
• The Stanford Center on Poverty and Inequality characterizes the US as “a clear and constant outlier in the child poverty league”. US child poverty rates are the highest amongst the six richest countries – Canada, the United Kingdom, Ireland, Sweden and Norway

Extreme poverty in America: read the UN special monitor's report

Philp Alston, the UN’s special rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights, has spent 10 days touring America. This is the introduction to his report

www.theguardian.com

“Although the US is a relatively wealthy country by international standards,[5] it has a persistently high poverty rate compared to other developed countries due in part to a less generous welfare system”

Poverty in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

U.S. poverty rates higher, safety net weaker than in peer countries

Poverty rates in the United States increased over the 2000s, a trend exacerbated by the Great Recession and its aftermath.

www.epi.org

Poverty, Racism, and the Public Health Crisis in America - PMC

The purpose of this article is to discuss poverty as a multidimensional factor influencing health. We will also explicate how racism contributes to and perpetuates the economic and financial inequality that diminishes prospects for population health ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

U.S. Poverty Statistics and Facts (Updated for 2025)

Learn about how poverty affects different demographics in the United States by looking at the most recent statistics and data.

www.debt.org

America's Poor Are Worse Off Than Elsewhere - Confronting Poverty

It is certainly true that if we compare the U.S. to countries in sub-Saharan Africa, physical poverty in the U.S. is obviously less extreme. The United States does not have the widespread famine and severe stunting of children that is sometimes found in extremely poor countries. However, most...

confrontingpoverty.org

Extreme poverty in America: read the UN special monitor's report

Philp Alston, the UN’s special rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights, has spent 10 days touring America. This is the introduction to his report

www.theguardian.com

You need to stop spouting dumb stuff, Notchy. Your urge to be a noisy leftie populist masks everything.

Justin Passing , I have backed everything up with facts, evidence, links as you can see above

You however have backed none of your points up with facts, evidence, links.


Justin I will politely suggest the person who is spouting dumb stuff is the one who has written a long post of assertions based entirely on cognitive bias not evidence.

Justin it is time for some self reflection, as each and everyone of your arguments has been destroyed…..by simple facts.

If want further debate on the details I am happy to do so, but you need to support your argument with facts this time.

Enjoy

 

[Mottie]

diy_fun_uk admits Trump is making ordinary American citizens worse off.

Do you realise how stupid, deranged and pathetic you are when you make these types of nonsensical, bitter posts against anyone you are losing an argument with?

 

[Odds]

Kulak : A fair few people will have heard of those












Detailed? I learned in in O level HIstory. Kulaks were part of what lead to the Russian revolution which is still taught in GCSE..
History is the most popular single subject after Maths and English, twice as popular as, say, French.

Anyone who thinks few on this forum would have heard of it is betraying the level of their own education and their opinion of others'.




What would you know, Notch? You're a populist spewing leftie, no more.


Yes.


Lefties care more about being popular that getting things right.
Not that that's unique to them.
Lefty gobbies tend to be extremely ignorant on economics, and don't seem to care very much about that as long as they get elected.
The quote simply does not need to follow. Governance is the regulator, so blame that, not the better off.
It's shyte, like saying that electric cars should be banned because more people will die. If you can't work that one out, count yourself too dull to comment. Then ask yourself why they aren't.
People are not born equal. The more encouraging the general environment, the wider the wealth inequality you would expect. You also make the poor better off. You also encourage gobshytes who think they should get more, to whine more. You also need a government which manages the benefits sensibly - a word with a lot of ramifications.


"Suffers"? Tendentious crap.
Theirs is Lower than Russia Sweden, Brazil, Philippines
That's a lot of people. I don't hear you whining about those.


Tariffs will, in his estimation, lead to more jobs in the US.
Corporation tax cuts will lead to higher employment because companies will have life easier.
If they make more of their own shoes, which end of the spectrum has more people benefitting?
Fewer low paid workers in foreign countries will have jobs - do you care about those??
Billionaires I first think of in the US are global anyway, they don't care much.

You need to stop spouting dumb stuff, Notchy. Your urge to be a noisy leftie populist masks everything.

Mujiks to my ears.

 

[Notch7]

Do you realise how stupid, deranged and pathetic you are when you make these types of nonsensical, bitter posts against anyone you are losing an argument with?

Mottie says: “I see facts as nonsensical”

 

[Deleted member 265726]

Mottie says: “I see facts as nonsensical”

You just don't seem to see facts at all. They've taught you to hate yourself and your countrymen and women and like a div, you've soaked it all up. Either that or you are a paid actor.

 

[MNW67]

like a div

I've not heard that in years



It was my sister's favourite putdown.

 

[Notch7]

You just don't seem to see facts at all

Says Sunshine who thinks Musk has uncovered a heap of corruption in USAID…..which when fact checked is simply false.

I notice you ignore these facts I quoted

• By most indicators, the US is one of the world’s wealthiest countries. It spends more on national defense than China, Saudi Arabia, Russia, the United Kingdom, India, France and Japan combined.
• US healthcare expenditures per capita are double the OECD average and much higher than in all other countries. But there are many fewer doctors and hospital beds per person than the OECD average.
• US infant mortality rates in 2013 were the highest in the developed world.
• Americans can expect to live shorter and sicker lives, compared to people living in any other rich democracy, and the “health gap” between the US and its peer countries continues to grow.
• US inequality levels are far higher than those in most European countries
• Neglected tropical diseases, including Zika, are increasingly common in the USA. It has been estimated that 12 million Americans live with a neglected parasitic infection. A 2017 report documents the prevalence of hookworm in Lowndes County, Alabama.
• The US has the highest prevalence of obesity in the developed world.
• In terms of access to water and sanitation the US ranks 36th in the world.
• America has the highest incarceration rate in the world, ahead of Turkmenistan, El Salvador, Cuba, Thailand and the Russian Federation. Its rate is nearly five times the OECD average.
• The youth poverty rate in the United States is the highest across the OECD with one quarter of youth living in poverty compared to less than 14% across the OECD.
• The Stanford Center on Inequality and Poverty ranks the most well-off countries in terms of labor markets, poverty, safety net, wealth inequality, and economic mobility. The US comes in last of the top 10 most well-off countries, and 18th amongst the top 21.
• In the OECD the US ranks 35th out of 37 in terms of poverty and inequality.
• According to the World Income Inequality Database, the US has the highest Gini rate (measuring inequality) of all Western Countries
• The Stanford Center on Poverty and Inequality characterizes the US as “a clear and constant outlier in the child poverty league”. US child poverty rates are the highest amongst the six richest countries – Canada, the United Kingdom, Ireland, Sweden and Norway

Extreme poverty in America: read the UN special monitor's report​

Philp Alston, the UN’s special rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights, has spent 10 days touring America. This is the introduction to his report

www.theguardian.com


“Although the US is a relatively wealthy country by international standards,[5] it has a persistently high poverty rate compared to other developed countries due in part to a less generous welfare system”

Poverty in the United States - Wikipedia​

en.wikipedia.org

U.S. poverty rates higher, safety net weaker than in peer countries​

Poverty rates in the United States increased over the 2000s, a trend exacerbated by the Great Recession and its aftermath.

www.epi.org

Poverty, Racism, and the Public Health Crisis in America - PMC​

The purpose of this article is to discuss poverty as a multidimensional factor influencing health. We will also explicate how racism contributes to and perpetuates the economic and financial inequality that diminishes prospects for population health ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

U.S. Poverty Statistics and Facts (Updated for 2025)​

Learn about how poverty affects different demographics in the United States by looking at the most recent statistics and data.

www.debt.org

America's Poor Are Worse Off Than Elsewhere - Confronting Poverty​

It is certainly true that if we compare the U.S. to countries in sub-Saharan Africa, physical poverty in the U.S. is obviously less extreme. The United States does not have the widespread famine and severe stunting of children that is sometimes found in extremely poor countries. However, most...

confrontingpoverty.org

Extreme poverty in America: read the UN special monitor's report​

Philp Alston, the UN’s special rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights, has spent 10 days touring America. This is the introduction to his report

www.theguardian.com

 

[Notch7]

They've taught you to hate yourself and your countrymen and women an

You think Trump is great

Trump is starting a tariff war….which will damage the U.K.

So it’s you who hates our countrymen and women, not me.


Why do hate this country so much?