Install single and dual smart switches

[paulcarrm9mx]

Hi, I'm trying to install 2way and 1 way smart touch light switches, but the the house is fitted with 3 core cable in the 2way switches with UK common cables being yellow I'm lost how to wire this type of cable to 2 way switches can someone tell me how to wire the switch using this setup of common yellow cable and sleeved red yellow cable please. Both pictures attached are based in a hall
Pic 1 non red sleeved controls hall and landing light
Pic 2 sleeved controls hall and outside light

Id like to have a 2 way switch fitted to each

Each smart switch tuya version has N,L,L2

Many thanks

 

[pcaouolte]

You don't have a neutral wire at that switch position. Your smart switch requires a Neutral connection so it can't be fitted there.

 

[ericmark]

Each smart switch has its own wiring diagram, often sold in pairs

in this case the one with LED's is master, the single switch is the slave. Again for one shown this is the wiring diagram. However, with a smart switch, there is no need for two-way switching, by using a remote, the button shown here

comes with a backplate so it looks like the hard-wired two-way switch, but in fact is a self-contained remote control with a magnetic back, it can even be programmed so it can change colour of bulb, or how bright, depending on also if linked to a bulb, or a switch

. Seems only done as single or two gang, but the switch shown uses a battery to power it, so no minium load, or problems with lights staying on dim when there is no neutral, all shown don't need a neutral.

These really cheap smart switches do need a neutral

also they use only one feed, which is the same with the TP-Link (Tapo) switch, one needs to be careful with landing lights, as often a two gang switch has two feeds from two independent circuits, which must be kept independent, or it will trip any RCBO's fitted.

Picture ending 221 of yours shows two slave switches, picture ending 611 shows a master two-way, and an on/off switch. So likely the smart switch would replace the switch shown in picture 611, I have a mixture, smart switches both Energenie and Tapo the latter replacing failed Energenie which to be fair are around 8 years old. But I also have a smart relay in my landing lamp it allows me to have 1, 4, or 5 lights on, the centre one is a smart colour changing one. And also a load of smart bulbs, with a smart bulb, turning the light switch off/on will turn it on, but clearly if switch left off, smart commands don't work, but hey google turn on outside lights will turn on all 6 outside lamps, very handy, as not even connected to the same abode, some supplied from flat, and some main house.

You don't show the switch you want to use, so can't say how it would be wired, I like the Tapo as since using batteries it will even work with a PIR outside light, those switches that pass a small current through the bulb, will not work with a PIR.

 

[Murdochcat]

Those back boxes look like 16mm so it could tricky fitting smart switches

 

[ericmark]

I have used spacers, but better if back box changed. But was keeping to the smart switching.

 

[paulcarrm9mx]

Am I best forgetting fitting smart switches in this house

 

[Taylortwocities]

Am I best forgetting fitting smart switches in this house

If you want an easy life then forget it.
It is possible, but it takes a lot of time and understanding. You need to learn how lighting circuits work, how 2-way switching is configured and identify the correct products for the job - many smart switches just cannot provide 2-way switching. You may need a specialist product, such as Litewave, and be prepared to undertake some additional and/or reconfiguration of the existing cabling.

 

[ericmark]

If a smart bulb will do the job at a reasonable price, then better than smart switch. The smart switch I use is there because, 8 x smart bulbs are expensive.

 

[pete01]

I'm so glad I just use an old fashioned on/off switch.

 

[ericmark]

I'm so glad I just use an old fashioned on/off switch.

Today I got, "turn the clothes drier on" think my wife thinks I am an extension of Google Nest.

 

[paulcarrm9mx]

If a smart bulb will do the job at a reasonable price, then better than smart switch. The smart switch I use is there because, 8 x smart bulbs are expensive.

Plus they only go up to the old fashioned 60w not want I need which is 100w

 

[ericmark]

You can get them, but price is a problem, £30 for 1350 lumens (20W) rather than £9 for 806 lumens (9W) so using a relay, or smart switch works out cheaper, but removes the option to change colour or colour temperature so loses the ambiance when dimming.

There are some rather high output bulbs however, measuring the wattage they do not draw what they are rated at, but are very high output, we have one, fitted in an up lighter, which is controlled from a smart socket strip.

There is no reason not to use a Tapo (TP-Link) switch, with a remote if you want manual remote switching, as already shown, I looked at this for my dinning room when using it as a bedroom while my wife was recovering from a knee operation, however she never used the remote button, she found voice commands to Google Nest worked better, "hey google turn on/off dinning light" so the button switch used as a doorbell push instead.

The landing light switch is the wrong end of the stairs, so have used Google Nest Mini speakers to turn them on/off for a few years, handy when carrying two cups of coffee. Using the smart relay means the old two-way switch still works, but simply never used.

 

[paulcarrm9mx]

Hi how do I wire this switch (the one showing terminals.)

Brand is tuya 2 gang

The wiring Is as follows

Yellow = common
Red = L1
Blue = L2

Thanks

 

[pete01]

The new switch needs a neutral and you don't have one so I dont think you can.

 

[pete01]

What happened....did this get moved?