DOGE: the giant Con

[Notch7]

Doesn’t mean they weren’t crazy.

Musk has been selecting a bunch of made up lies or out of context data specifically for the MAGA base.

none of the claims are supported with evidence, literally none

anybody with a brain knows an audit cant be done in a day or 2

 

[blup]

The computer system uses a base date of 1875. If no birth date is entered it defaults to 1875. In many of the cases the records of potential recipients require more than date of birth field, those fields not considered relevant are left blank- leading to a basic search suggesting that the potential recipient is extremely old.

Musk could provide evidence of those 12m having received payments. That he hasn't leads me to conclude that no such payments exist.

Regardless, each of the investigations into his businesses have been shuttered since he bought Trump. Do you think that a good thing?

So a simple program is used to invent fraud.

 

[Koolpc]

How sweet I’ve triggered a MAGA

Only fickos fall for the claim DOGEs purpose is finding waste and corruption.

Lol, u are def not from earth!

 

[Notch7]

Lol, u are def not from earth!

 

[Lirefighter]

DOGE is just the propaganda front for Project 2025

DOGE is about sacking federal employees and swapping them for MAGA minions

Poor diyfunuk, poor thing has been taken in by the con

This project 2025 plan you appear to object to, can you list ten of their aims that you don't agree with.
I've had a butchers and there doesn't seem to be much of concern imo.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

This project 2025 plan you appear to object to, can you list ten of their aims that you don't agree with.
I've had a butchers and there doesn't seem to be much of concern imo.

Try again with your thinking head on

 

[Lirefighter]

The only difference to what is going on now, and has been for at least a decade, is that the lefties are being replaced with rational people.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

The only difference to what is going on now, and has been for at least a decade, is that the lefties are being replaced with rational people.

Head is back in the clouds I see

 

[MNW67]

The only difference to what is going on now, and has been for at least a decade, is that the lefties are being replaced with rational people.

I am happy for any party to bring in any policies they were mandated to by the electorate. As long as they are done legally. My concerns are around dispensing with the rule of law and a slide into authoritarianism. I think it will be a very bad thing for the world if that happens in the USA. These quotes from Wikipedia sum it up better than I ever could:

Democracy experts, political scholars, and other commentators have described the project as dangerous,[79] risking authoritarianism,[243] and apocalyptic.[127][5] Many legal experts have said it would undermine the rule of law,[32] the separation of powers,[5] the separation of church and state,[31] and civil liberties.[5][32][33] Snopes cites "people across the political spectrum" worried that the plan is a precursor to authoritarianism.

Some academics worry Project 2025 represents significant executive aggrandizement,[79] a type of democratic backsliding involving government institutional changes made by elected executives that has been seen in Russia, Hungary, Turkey, and Venezuela

Cornell University political scientist Rachel Beatty Riedl says this global phenomenon represents threats to democratic rule not from violence but rather from using democratic institutions to consolidate executive power. She notes this has occurred in countries such as Hungary, Nicaragua, and Turkey, but is new to the U.S. She adds, "if Project 2025 is implemented, what it means is a dramatic decrease in American citizens' ability to engage in public life based on the kind of principles of liberty, freedom and representation that are accorded in a democracy."

Donald B. Ayer, the deputy attorney general under George H. W. Bush, said,

Project 2025 seems to be full of a whole array of ideas that are designed to let Donald Trump function as a dictator, by completely eviscerating many of the restraints built into our system. He really wants to destroy any notion of a rule of law in this country ... The reports about Donald Trump's Project 2025 suggest that he is now preparing to do a bunch of things totally contrary to the basic values we have always lived by. If Trump were to be elected and implement some of the ideas he is apparently considering, no one in this country would be safe.

 

[Deleted member 265726]

What parts of the US Constitution have been broken? I started reading it last night but fell asleep.

 

[MNW67]

What parts of the US Constitution have been broken? I started reading it last night but fell asleep.

It is really boring. And difficult to apply to the modern world.

 

[Lirefighter]

I am happy for any party to bring in any policies they were mandated to by the electorate. As long as they are done legally. My concerns are around dispensing with the rule of law and a slide into authoritarianism. I think it will be a very bad thing for the world if that happens in the USA. These quotes from Wikipedia sum it up better than I ever could:

It's Wikipedia!
Go and have a scan through the actual document.
Yes, it's a bit of a tough slog (as are most things of this type - about 90% waffle of no importance), but quite easy to find the relevant section of interest and get to what matters.
We could definitely do with a similar strategy in this country tbh.
The courts, quangos, think tanks, etc, etc that have been created since the latter part of the last century have deliberately been invented to remove accountability from the government, and with it the erosion of democracy.

 

[MNW67]

It's Wikipedia!
Go and have a scan through the actual document.
Yes, it's a bit of a tough slog (as are most things of this type - about 90% waffle of no importance), but quite easy to find the relevant section of interest and get to what matters.
We could definitely do with a similar strategy in this country tbh.
The courts, quangos, think tanks, etc, etc that have been created since the latter part of the last century have deliberately been invented to remove accountability from the government, and with it the erosion of democracy.

With the greatest respect, I didn't get the impression from our discussion the other day that these are really your areas of expertise. I think you're flannelling.

 

[Deleted member 265726]

It is really boring. And difficult to apply to the modern world.

Yes it is dull and dated in a sense but it is their founding document. I'll give it another bash. I'm seeing lots of articles stating 'constitutional crisis' or something to that effect, so thought I'd try and understand their constitution and where the breaking of such is occurring, if it indeed it is occurring.

 

[MNW67]

Yes it is dull and dated in a sense but it is their founding document. I'll give it another bash. I'm seeing lots of articles stating 'constitutional crisis' or something to that effect, so thought I'd try and understand their constitution and where the breaking of such is occurring.

You're a brave person!

The Preamble is extremely famous:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union ........

Other than that, I have only ever read specific sections when they have come up in legal cases. Like the Second Amendment which deals with the right to bear arms. The big one at the moment surrounds Trump's executive order to ban birthright citizenship, which is covered by the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Most scholars think Trump's order is blatantly illegal. But at the moment there is a very biased and compliant Supreme Court. It will come down to how they interpret the meaning of "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof":

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.