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DOGE: the giant Con

MNW67 said:
In democracies like ours and the USA, it means you have an executive (the government), a legislature (Parliament or Congress) and a judiciary. And they all have different and distinct roles in making laws and ensuring the constitution is followed. And the argument is that Trump is trying to take a lot of the powers away Congress for himself, and also ignore any courts who rule his behaviour to be unconstitutional. And if it goes far enough, you end up on the slippery slope to a dictatorship.
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How many elections has Trump cancelled or annulled the results of?
 
MNW67 said:
In the UK, we don't really have a constitutional court like in the USA. The foundation of UK law is that any law passed by Parliament is automatically legal and cannot be challenged in court. But when we were in the EU we became subject to the EU courts. Also, there is the Human Rights Act now which takes away some power from Parliament. Whereas in America, any law passed can be challenged as unconstitutional in the courts.
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Judicial Reviews legally challenge governmental department decisions here in the UK.
 
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Judicial Reviews legally challenge governmental department decisions here in the UK.
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The so called Sovereignty of Parliament only applies to Acts of Parliament themselves. Decision by ministers (part of the executive) can be challenged by judicial review. Sometimes the challenge will be against a Statutory Instrument, which is form of delegated legislation. So say an Act of Parliament (a Statute) gives a minister the right to make Regulations in a Statutory Instrument. Then if the minister goes outside the remit authorised in the Statute in making those Regulations, that can be challenged as "ultra vires" by judicial review. So that is one way in which judicial review occurs. But there are others. It is to do with a minister exceeding the authority given to him by Parliament.
 
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fillyboy said:
Not a trick at all, but assuming none, how does that compare to the UK or the EU?
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I knew you were getting at something. I don't know is the simple answer. But that isn't really the point. We are only at the beginning. The fascinating thing for me is to watch to what extent Trump tries to impose Project 2025 over these next four years to increase the powers of the Presidency and ignore rulings of the courts.
 
MNW67 said:
I knew you were getting at something. I don't know is the simple answer. But that isn't really the point. We are only at the beginning. The fascinating thing for me is to watch to what extent Trump tries to impose Project 2025 over these next four years to increase the powers of the Presidency and ignore rulings of the courts.
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Local elections in UK, main election in Romania, Germany will be interesting. To see dictatorships in all their glory, we should be looking closer to home.
 
fillyboy said:
Local elections in UK, main election in Romania, Germany will be interesting. To see dictatorships in all their glory, we should be looking closer to home.
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What Trump might be attempting is so massive, though. I am fascinated by it and to see how far he goes.
 
MNW67 said:
The so called Sovereignty of Parliament only applies to Acts of Parliament themselves. Decision by ministers (part of the executive) can be challenged by judicial review. Sometimes the challenge will be against a Statutory Instrument, which is form of delegated legislation. So say an Act of Parliament (a Statute) gives a minister the right to make Regulations in a Statutory Instrument. Then if the minister goes outside the remit authorised in the Statute in making those Regulations, that can be challenged as "ultra vires" by judicial review. So that is one way in which judicial review occurs. But there are others.
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We have a way to hold our government to account is all I am saying. As we cannot vote on the individual laws and decisions they make, we can only take them to court when such laws and decisions go awry. I would like to see direct democracy instead, but I digress.
 
fillyboy said:
Local elections in UK, main election in Romania, Germany will be interesting. To see dictatorships in all their glory, we should be looking closer to home.
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Right wing populists are dictators ya muppet.


people like Farage and Trump sell the lie that they are on side of the people against the establishment……and you’ve fallen for it.

Farage and Trump are the swamp


Right Wing Populists threaten democracy not protect it

“Right-wing populists have emerged and endured in democracies globally, threatening democracy through their attacks on liberal institutions.”



 
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