Are we witnessing, in real time, the collapse of the left wing.

[Odds]

So we are - clear millions manage.

to be clear - millions more cannot. The crux of the argument is not the fact some people can afford their own home, it's more to do with the fact that many more can not buy their own home. The imbalance is clear and obvious.

But i know you'd much rather ride the merry-go-round of "yes it is/no it isn't". Enjoy.

 

[motorbiking]

A different argument that I don’t disagree with.

Many people cannot afford to buy a house with a garden. That is correct. That does not make them homeless and it doesn’t mean they can’t do it in another part of the country.

When I bought my first place I could not afford a house with a garden. Just a modest 1 bed flat.

 

[Notch7]

A different argument that I don’t disagree with.

Many people cannot afford to buy a house with a garden. That is correct. That does not make them homeless and it doesn’t mean they can’t do it in another part of the country.

When I bought my first place I could not afford a house with a garden. Just a modest 1 bed flat.

1) millions of people can’t afford to buy any property so they are trapped in unaffordable rent, where they can afford to save for a deposit…..which you claim otherwise

2) People have to live where the work is, so it’s not much saying they can afford to buy elsewhere in the country.

In any case, how does that help employers where the location is fixed, like hospitals, schools etc

3) you were able to afford a modest flat as your first place……home ownership is no longer affordable for increasing number of people.


Wealth inequality is the key reason…..which you keep denying

 

[carmanmemoranda]

A different argument that I don’t disagree with.

only you think it's a different argument.

Many people cannot afford to buy a house with a garden. That is correct. That does not make them homeless and it doesn’t mean they can’t do it in another part of the country.

Swerve. Irrelevant

When I bought my first place I could not afford a house with a garden. Just a modest 1 bed flat.

Middle of London or a little village in the middle of scotland ? A flat in London is expensive compared to a house and gardens in other areas.

Nice swerve again

 

[motorbiking]

1) millions of people can’t afford to buy any property so they are trapped in unaffordable rent, where they can afford to save for a deposit…..which you claim otherwise

2) People have to live where the work is, so it’s not much saying they can afford to buy elsewhere in the country.

In any case, how does that help employers where the location is fixed, like hospitals, schools etc

3) you were able to afford a modest flat as your first place……home ownership is no longer affordable for increasing number of people.


Wealth inequality is the key reason…..which you keep denying

1, No I don't. I said plenty manage. Its true. The evidence is there, I think we can put that to bed now.
2. I know plenty of people who grew up in Sussex and Surrey and moved to lower cost locations for a better quality of life.
3. I don't deny we live in a world where some people earn more than others because they have higher value skills and fewer people with those to skills to compete with. I argue that applying additional taxes to wealthier people, to subsidise those who have less for the purpose balancing wealth inequality is a bad idea. A person living in the SE, who fits in to the top 10% of earners is not a wealthy person.

There is no incentive to strive to do better and there is less incentive for those doing better to do so. As I have repeatedly said, the solution is to invest in the skills of those near the bottom so that at least some of them can push themselves up and not only make a greater contribution to tax, but also enjoy a better life.

 

[Notch7]

1, No I don't. I said plenty manage. Its true. The evidence is there, I think we can put that to bed now.
2. I know plenty of people who grew up in Sussex and Surrey and moved to lower cost locations for a better quality of life.
3. I don't deny we live in a world where some people earn more than others because they have higher value skills and fewer people with those to skills to compete with. I argue that applying additional taxes to wealthier people, to subsidise those who have less for the purpose balancing wealth inequality is a bad idea. A person living in the SE, who fits in to the top 10% of earners is not a wealthy person.

There is no incentive to strive to do better and there is less incentive for those doing better to do so. As I have repeatedly said, the solution is to invest in the skills of those near the bottom so that at least some of them can push themselves up and not only make a greater contribution to tax, but also enjoy a better life.

Motorbiking refuses to acknowledge the evidence which proves wealth inequality in the UK results in a large part of the population having worse living standards than other countries

Motorbiking refuses to acknowledge that wealth inequality has increased significantly in the UK
Motorbiking refuses to acknowledge that wealth inequality is much higher in the UK than other equivalent Western economies

 

[fillyboy]

Motorbiking refuses to acknowledge that wealth inequality is much higher in the UK than other equivalent Western economies

Statistics also refuse to acknowledge that.

List of sovereign states by wealth inequality - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Notch7]

Statistics also refuse to acknowledge that.

List of sovereign states by wealth inequality - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

they do when you look at the details

but then you are a Trump supporter so details are lost on you

Compared to other developed countries the UK has a very unequal distribution of income, with a Gini coefficient of 0.351. The UK has one of the highest levels of income inequality in Europe, although it is less unequal than the United States.

The Scale of Economic Inequality in the UK - Equality Trust

The UK has very high inequality of income compared to other developed countries. The UK's wealth inequality is much more severe than income inequality.

equalitytrust.org.uk

Britain is a different story. While the top earners rank fifth, the average household ranks 12th and the poorest 5 per cent rank 15th. Far from simply losing touch with their western European peers, last year the lowest-earning bracket of British households had a standard of living that was 20 per cent weaker than their counterparts in Slovenia.

Client Challenge

Income and wealth inequality explained in 5 charts | Institute for Fiscal Studies

We document how economic inequalities have changed over the last sixty years, and how experiences have varied for different groups.

ifs.org.uk

But income inequality in the UK has grown more than in most OECD countries. Today the level of UK income inequality is high international standards, as seen in Figure 2, which shows the Gini coefficient – a summary measure of income inequality across the distribution – for OECD countries. Looking beneath that simple summary measure, it turns out that it is largely the degree of inequality between high- and middle- income people that sets the UK apart from many of its comparators.

 

[motorbiking]

Motorbiking refuses to acknowledge the evidence which proves wealth inequality in the UK results in a large part of the population having worse living standards than other countries

Motorbiking refuses to acknowledge that wealth inequality has increased significantly in the UK
Motorbiking refuses to acknowledge that wealth inequality is much higher in the UK than other equivalent Western economies

where do you get these silly notions.

Where have I stated any of the above?

 

[Notch7]

where do you get these silly notions.

Where have I stated any of the above?

you have refused to acknowledge these points numerous times:

Motorbiking refuses to acknowledge the evidence which proves wealth inequality in the UK results in a large part of the population having worse living standards than other countries

Motorbiking refuses to acknowledge that wealth inequality has increased significantly in the UK
Motorbiking refuses to acknowledge that wealth inequality is much higher in the UK than other equivalent Western economies

 

[motorbiking]

Why would I offer solutions to a problem I refused to accept existed?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Why would I offer solutions to a problem I refused to accept existed?

Exactly, you refuse to accept it exists.

 

[motorbiking]

Exactly, you refuse to accept it exists.

here is me acknowledging the very same.

1, No I don't. I said plenty manage. Its true. The evidence is there, I think we can put that to bed now.
2. I know plenty of people who grew up in Sussex and Surrey and moved to lower cost locations for a better quality of life.
3. I don't deny we live in a world where some people earn more than others because they have higher value skills and fewer people with those to skills to compete with. I argue that applying additional taxes to wealthier people, to subsidise those who have less for the purpose balancing wealth inequality is a bad idea. A person living in the SE, who fits in to the top 10% of earners is not a wealthy person.

There is no incentive to strive to do better and there is less incentive for those doing better to do so. As I have repeatedly said, the solution is to invest in the skills of those near the bottom so that at least some of them can push themselves up and not only make a greater contribution to tax, but also enjoy a better life.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Read post 206 again

 

[Notch7]

Why would I offer solutions to a problem I refused to accept existed?

You have repeatedly refused to acknowledge that the U.K. has a serious wealth inequality problem.

As for “solutions” you are just repeating the Lee Anderson trope of “get a better job”