Ssssssshhhhhh, don't mention Reform.

[Notch7]

They can be legally rescued and taken to france

No they cant

UNCLOS A19

 

[motorbiking]

You are...

"...Article 19 of UNCLOS says that if a "foreign ship" enters another country's territorial waters it will "be considered to be prejudicial to the peace" if "it engages in the loading or unloading of any... person contrary to the immigration laws" of that country.

BBC Verify spoke to two experts in maritime law.

James M. Turner KC, a shipping lawyer at Quadrant Chambers, told us: "The French would have to grant express permission for UK vessels to carry rescued people through their territorial waters and to leave them ashore in France".

Ainhoa Campàs Velasco, a maritime law expert from the University of Southampton, said migrants could not be returned to French shores, "unilaterally, and without prior agreement with France..."

A different scenario that nobody is talking about.

 

[motorbiking]

No they cant

UNCLOS A19

you might want to read the rest of the document.

 

[Notch7]

well if you apply logic to this it would go something like this. You are sinking and need to get. to a port for safety. there are two ports, one is 30 miles away the other is 10. Which one are you going to head for?

Wrong, if in French waters:

A British vessel attends an emergency rescue it will need to notify French authorities and the decision will be made jointly.

 

[Highway Man]

Wrong, if in French waters:

A British vessel attends an emergency rescue it will need to notify French authorities and the decision will be made jointly.

Rubbish, they wouldn't refuse

 

[motorbiking]

well if you apply logic to this it would go something like this. You are sinking and need to get. to a port for safety. there are two ports, one is 30 miles away the other is 10. Which one are you going to head for?

But what if all the hospitals in france were closed

 

[Notch7]

A different scenario that nobody is talking about.

None of the scenarios allow British vessels to take migrants to French port


which scenario are you talking about

A) migrant boat in French waters….British vessel has no permission to enter with intent of collecting migrants and returning them (UNCLOS 19 g)

B) migrant boat in English waters….British vessel can’t cross into French waters.

 

[motorbiking]

Rubbish, they wouldn't refuse

Correct. Notch is making up the rules.

 

[Highway Man]

None of the scenarios allow British vessels to take migrants to French port


which scenario are you talking about

A) migrant boat in French waters….British vessel has no permission to enter with intent of collecting migrants and returning them (UNCLOS 19 g)

B) migrant boat in English waters….British vessel can’t cross into French waters.

Shut up Notch, you have been told this countless times. You are no lawyer or sailor,

 

[motorbiking]

None of the scenarios allow British vessels to take migrants to French port


which scenario are you talking about

A) migrant boat in French waters….British vessel has no permission to enter with intent of collecting migrants and returning them (UNCLOS 19 g)

B) migrant boat in English waters….British vessel can’t cross into French waters.

A) they can leave them there

B) the idea is to stop them reaching U.K. waters.

C) a migrant boat attempting to enter U.K. waters can be denied and pushed back. It is a long flat bottomed inflatable with a small engine. A jet ski flanking each side of the bow can easily prevent it from holding a course other than the course you want it to hold.

 

[Highway Man]

None of the scenarios allow British vessels to take migrants to French port


which scenario are you talking about

A) migrant boat in French waters….British vessel has no permission to enter with intent of collecting migrants and returning them (UNCLOS 19 g)

B) migrant boat in English waters….British vessel can’t cross into French waters.

I would hate to be rescued by you and take me on a 300 mile detour because you think that is the rules. My god someone could die at your rescue knowledge and planning

 

[Deleted member 323070]

You seem to be far too emotionally invested to discuss this properly with the required level of detachment.

Not at all,it;s your questions were getting increnentally silly.
"What about if they were just a few meters inside the boundary". (You were deliberately trolling)
It's irrelevant the coordinating authority, the need or not for urgent medical care, the cooperation between services, the wind, tide and sea conditions are all far more imortant than the precise locations of the distressed seafarers.

 

[Notch7]

Rubbish, they wouldn't refuse

That’s not the point.

French authorities would have to be informed and would probably attend.


How many medical emergencies have there been, where British vessels have attended an emergency rescue resulting in the need to take people back to France…..as far as I know it’s happened once in the last year……so a situation of no material relevance

 

[Deleted member 323070]

For a sailing boat yes. But it makes the square root of not much difference on a vessel that cruises at 20+ kts. Last I checked the tide only goes North or south for about half an hour each turn and with not much force. It’s mainly going east or west. Nice try though.

Weirdly others disagree with you, as usual.

Sea conditions, including waves, wind, currents, and visibility, significantly impact the passage of vessels under power by affecting speed, maneuverability, fuel consumption, and safety. Rough seas, particularly high waves, can hinder a vessel's progress and increase the risk of damage or even capsizing.

 

[motorbiking]

Weirdly others disagree with you, as usual.

This is the English Channel not the Atlantic.

Your generic text does not help you.