Ssssssshhhhhh, don't mention Reform.

[Deleted member 323070]

Send British troops over to the French beaches and blockade them?

Send Dick Turpin, he'll shoot them.

 

[motorbiking]

It happens to have a very high, strong and fast tidal flow. 10 kilometres an hour is not unheard of. I thought you claimed to be a mariner?
And as you know (or should do) it can be more dangerous for small vessels to maintain speeds in certain sea conditions.
You really do need to assess your self-description of a mariner. You're misleading your pupils.

I don't think you really understand that boats sit on top of the water and move with the tide at exactly the same speed as the tide. It's only an issue close to land or objects that are fixed to land. Fortunately, people build harbours, walls and marinas to avoid the issue of strong conditions impacting berthing/landing etc.

Again you're misunderstanding of being pushed or pulled from one end, with the concept of being pushed inwards from both ends simultaneously.
You might need to re-asses your understanding of physics while you're self-assessing.

This was your invention

I think it's fair to say that all incidents that occur at sea are unlikely to occur in normal circumstances.
That's why UNCLOS was formed, to deal with the unexpected.

nonsense

 

[Deleted member 323070]

There is nothing legally ambiguous about the sentence.

"The coastal State may take the necessary steps in its territorial sea to prevent passage which is not innocent."

who = the coastal state
what = the necessary steps
why = to prevent passage that is not innocent

do we have a definition of passage that is not innocent - yes Article 19.
do we understand what the necessary steps are - anything that achieves the goal.

It doesn't say reasonably necessary, or without force or intimidation. Nope its the "necessary steps".

It's the problem when someone (a self-proclaimed solicitor on a DIY site ) classes a flimsy boat load of refugees as 'not innocent'.

 

[Notch7]

Still waiting for your answer

thats up to the French, its not for me to say

all youve shown is they have an obligation to comply (provided the UK vessel is deemed innocent passage), you havent shown any rule which states how they should comply.

you have been falsely claiming the "French have to accept them", but the rules dont state that


In any case it wouldnt solve small boat crossings as most arent in an emergency situation in French waters

 

[Deleted member 323070]

Try a different analogy, that one was silly. I wouldnt follow anyone over a cliff.

If they tell you they're not heading for a cliff, you'll happily believe them.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

perhaps we should stop paying them 1/2 a billion a year, in the hope they do.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9681/

UK can pay France the money, they can even have a degree of say on how it is spent.
What they cannot do is to instruct the french exactly what to do with the money on a day-to-day basis.

 

[Notch7]

Unless of course you are being paid to reduce illegal immigrants entering UK territory

so now you want private vigilante operators, who were you thinking asking, Tommy Robinsons mates, he knows some far right thugs

if their actions cause a migrant to drown they could end up in jail.

they might even look at the court case against Greece......

 

[motorbiking]

HDOP is 1 that interprets to 3 to 5 metres

thats not accurate enough






no they arent

"up to 12 metres long" is the actual answer

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you do know that 12m is just under 40ft

 

[Deleted member 323070]

may = permission. as a opposed to must = obligation - not ambiguous
innocent = Passage that is not innocent is defined in article 19g, you've been told this already - not ambiguous
necessary steps = already explained - not ambiguous

good try though.

Passage is innocent so long as it is not prejudicial to the peace, good order or security of the coastal State

So you are claiming that a boat load of refugees is prejudicial to the peace, good order or security of the UK?

Then what the heck have the RN, the Army and the RAF, and the government, with all of it's intelligence agencies, been doing all these years?

 

[Notch7]

It doesn't make any difference to those who have children who are in poverty. Which politician has helped those types in your opinion?

it dropped significantly under Tony Blair

 

[Deleted member 323070]

where does it say that necessary steps excludes the use of force. oh wait it doesn't.

For vessels considered "not innocent".

 

[Notch7]

you do know that 12m is just under 40ft

you said 30 to 70 ft

so average of 50ft

max size is 12 metre

so you was telling porkies

 

[Deleted member 323070]

Contracting Governments shall(1) co-ordinate and co-operate to ensure(2) that masters of ships providing assistance by embarking persons in distress at sea are released from their obligations with minimum further deviation from the ships' intended voyage, provided that releasing the master of the ship from the obligations under the current regulation does not further endanger the safety of life at sea. The Contracting Government responsible(3) for the search and rescue region in which such assistance is rendered shall exercise primary responsibility for ensuring such co-ordination and co-operation occurs(4), so that survivors assisted are disembarked from the assisting ship and delivered to a place of safety(5), taking into account the particular circumstances of the case and guidelines developed by the Organization. In these cases the relevant Contracting Governments shall arrange for such disembarkation to be effected as soon as reasonably practicable(6).

(1) obligation
(2) make it happen
(3)France in French waters
(4)its their job
(5)they must take them or find someone who will
(6)they have to do it quickly

even Himmy has given up arguing this one.

You've conflated the discussion about rescues and pushbacks.
Signs of desperation, me thinks.

 

[Notch7]

We all listen to MBK and accept his explanation of the laws and rules, only a few trolls are going against what he knows which quite frankly is a bit cringe to try to argue against it

your creeping up to him is cringe...........supporting his lies

poor old Motorbiking has got destroyed in every point he has made

I wonder what nonsense he will come up with next

 

[motorbiking]

So you are claiming that a boat load of refugees is prejudicial to the peace, good order or security of the UK?

Then what the heck have the RN, the Army and the RAF, and the government, with all of it's intelligence agencies, been doing all these years?

a boat load of illegal immigrants, they have no protection as refugees until they have claimed it. This is well established in law. Plenty of illegal immigrants who do not claim asylum are prosecuted for immigration offences, plenty of people traffickers of illegal immigrants are jailed and plenty who steer the boat, are jailed.

you said 30 to 70 ft

so average of 50ft

max size is 12 metre

so you was telling porkies

40ft - is between 30 and 70ft. Even you can work that out.