Ssssssshhhhhh, don't mention Reform.

[motorbiking]

Angela Rayner was a trade Union representative then went onto to contest Ashton seat and win in 2014, first woman MP there in 180 year history.

She is a very popular MP who came from humble beginnings.

If you think she is incompetent, please provide the evidence.





Reform MPs and Reform councillor are demonstrably incompetent

You think your anti reform YouTube channel is evidence.

 

[Notch7]

He does believe quite a lot of bizarre things though.
He actually believes that we believe his lies.
I know, bizarre.

Logical fallacy

You are saying I’m wrong, but you can’t say where or why…..because you can’t, it’s tricky arguing against facts.

 

[Notch7]

You think your anti reform YouTube channel is evidence.

Are you suggesting they are lying and those dodgy Reform councillors weren’t suspended?

 

[Notch7]

It’s political will nothing more.

You mean like the Safety of Rwanda Bill?

 

[Notch7]

It’s not leave or stay. It’s improve or replace

the primary purpose of the ECHR is to protect British citizens against the government.

Having a British Bill of Human Rights, doesn’t provide that protection.

Sadly the people voting for Reform are the poor and vulnerable and most likely to require the protection.

 

[aveatry]

Taxes needed to pay for the mess Tories left:
8 million NHS waiting lists

That was the covid nonsense that caused that. - restrictions that you agreed with.

 

[Notch7]

That was the covid nonsense that caused that. - restrictions that you agreed with.

WRONG

1) pre covid NHS waiting lists were already 5 million up from 2.4m under Tories

2) covid was not nonsense nor were the interventions made, you are a silly conspiracy theorist child.

 

[motorbiking]

the primary purpose of the ECHR is to protect British citizens against the government.

Having a British Bill of Human Rights, doesn’t provide that protection.

Sadly the people voting for Reform are the poor and vulnerable and most likely to require the protection.

Nonsense. We had many of the protections before. It was a Tony Blair vanity project to make it law. The human rights act can be repealed and the ECHR ignored or overruled on occasion. It’s all politics and image.

 

[Notch7]

So the reality is Reform party couldn’t just leave ECHR any more than they can tow boats back to France.

Farage the Snake Oil salesman.

 

[motorbiking]

So the reality is Reform party couldn’t just leave ECHR any more than they can tow boats back to France.

Farage the Snake Oil salesman.

How on earth did you conclude that ? It is not a matter of law. It’s a matter of political will.

 

[Notch7]

pushbacks are illegal on small migrant boats

 

[motorbiking]

pushbacks are illegal on small migrant boats

Have you found a new law?

 

[Notch7]

Pushbacks are illegal on vulnerable unseaworthy inflatable boats overloaded with people

See UNCLOS A98.

 

[Notch7]

Reform say they “would leave ECHR” but that is not a true statement

Reform could say: “we would try to leave the ECHR but no guarantee it would be achievable” that is a true statement.



Intelligent people can see the difference, so Reform voters won’t appreciate the difference.

 

[motorbiking]

Pushbacks are illegal on vulnerable unseaworthy inflatable boats overloaded with people

See UNCLOS A98.

Ahh so no then.