2 way switches

[JamesWest]

I got 2 switches both got 2 switches to run 2 lights the missus took em off to paint now I got 2 new switches i looked atthe swicthes online and can't find what I got
I got one with yellow red blue and one with blue red in one and 2 with blue red yellow 2 with red blue 2 with red black in the other

 

[Taylortwocities]

Photos of both switches needed.
Also please say if they operate the same, or different lights.

 

[JamesWest]

Old swicths gone in bin had 4 holes each new switches got 3 holes 617pm screwfix


long room one end 2 light work together from both swicthes other end one works from both switches

me cameras shot but allcan take is 23 wires an 7 wires all the bear wires go on the termimal in the back with a green wire to the front

 

[SUNRAY]

Mmm blue and red in a cable? could that be a 3C&E with the yellow cut off

or my guess is brown and blue

?

Is this combination what you have?

I make it 20 and 7 including earth wires

Image of 617PM

very standard 2G 2 way switch
Image of 2 gang intermediate switch with 4 holes

Are there any other switches for these lights?

Do you have anything to test with, such as a cheap multimeter like this?

 

[JamesWest]

I get meter missis get from screwfix some red wires very dark my eye not so gut i got 3 very dark red and 4 red 2 yellow 5 bleu 2 black 7 bear 7 wires in wall altogeter 23

 

[sparkwright]

Old swicths gone in bin had 4 holes each new switches got 3 holes 617pm screwfix


long room one end 2 light work together from both swicthes other end one works from both switches

me cameras shot but allcan take is 23 wires an 7 wires all the bear wires go on the termimal in the back with a green wire to the front

4 holes?
Neutral parking terminal perhaps?
Can you get them out of the bin?

 

[Taylortwocities]

My friend, you need an electrician.

 

[SUNRAY]

I get meter missis get from screwfix. some red wires very dark my eye not so gut. i got 3 very dark red and 4 red. 2 yellow, 5 bleu, 2 black, 7 bare. 7 wires cables in wall, altogeter 23 wires.

Excuse me for editing your reply to understand it.

This gives 3 brown, 4 red, 2 yellow, 5 blue, 2 black

My friend, you need an electrician.

I hate to say it but I think that's right

4 holes?
Neutral parking terminal perhaps?
Can you get them out of the bin?

Good call, didn't think about those.

I'm out for the evening, good luck.

 

[securespark]

Can we have photos of all the wires?

 

[JamesWest]

my camera shot i got meter i set 600v~ yes

 

[JamesWest]

Thank for your help.
I explain, You may understand we are not native to your country. Papa is old and disable, his quite good with power but this one lots of wires. Mama and me working. My English is best.

Mama took the switchs off and one broken so she put on bin and gone. We don't have working camara but she draw a map of the wires which I make on computer. I think this ok

Using meter we find this and make new switch

We make this, one light is on and fuse box switch bang when we put it off

Mama and me go to work now, we be home this evening.

 

[Taylortwocities]

My friend, you need an electrician.

 

[securespark]

I think so too.

But I will say that if that 3 core is connected like that and the light works in one position and the breaker pops in the other, then the blue must be a neutral?

Red: Live feed
Yellow: Switch
Blue: Neutral

Or at least, if that is not the colour convention, one of the yellow or blue must be neutral.
Or there is a dead short somewhere!

 

[SUNRAY]

I think so too.

But I will say that if that 3 core is connected like that and the light works in one position and the breaker pops in the other, then the blue must be a neutral?

Red: Live feed
Yellow: Switch
Blue: Neutral

Or at least, if that is not the colour convention, one of the yellow or blue must be neutral.
Or there is a dead short somewhere!

Working on that and this

4 holes?
Neutral parking terminal perhaps?
Can you get them out of the bin?

Thank you for a lovely sketch and to Mama for making the original.
It looks to me that the upper left of each swicth unit is the 'loop' terminal and there are 2 loop outs cables 6 & 7 to other lights in the house.
From that it appears there are 2 conventional 2 way systems but the right switch plate is incorrect - see purple amendment

As it is now I believe I can identify all neutral wires: All blues and blacks from 3,4,5,6,7 can be terminated in a connector, such as a Wago or a piece of this

Reds from 2,5,7into another connector, after that only a question of identifying which is cable 6 as a loop out and 3,4 as switched lives, presumably to 2 lights

 

[securespark]

Thanks!

I'd got as far as bunching the feeds in and out, then I had to go away and commence dinner prep.