National Grooming Gangs Inquiry Announced

MNW67 said:
I think diyfun has raised an important point. Say that all Asian grooming gangs are stopped tomorrow. Will you still be protesting so vociferously against the remaining 98% of child abuse. Much of that abuse is against much younger children. Are we being objective. Are there other psychological factors at play. Is it a collective guilt because we have have voluntarily allowed, and in many cases asked, the perpetrators to come to this country.
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My only goal in this debate was to stop people incorrectly referring to CSA / CSE offences and "data" and using it to troll those on this forum they think are anti "brown". The fact is organised gangs raping kids do have ethnicity considerations.

I would like a modernisation of our child rape laws. I am not sure the Romeo and Juliet model is the full answer, but it is closer. a 20 yo having a sexual relationship with a 15 yo, is an inappropriate relationship. It should not be classed as child rape. The same applied to a 15 yo and a 13 yo. That needs to be seen as something very different to the so called "boyfriend model" used by older Peodos.

A lot of the wider CSA and CSE offences are also "noise". That is clear by the prosecution data. All offences are valid to attack and enforce, but we need to clear out those that are more technical.
 
motorbiking said:
I have done, keep up. Hot off the press.


Chef - more humble pie for Nosenout :LOL:

Chapter 6: Denial Seems like it was written just for you.
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Nothing in that chapter corroborates this bullshìt boyo....
"It is not white British males committing the majority of rape abuse against kids, via rape gangs. There are plenty of official reports confirming this and I have posted them for the forum idiots to appraise themselves of..."

Lies.
 
noseall said:
There is a prevalence amongst Pakistani men to target and groom vulnerable teenage girls correct.
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Taking the above, the next question is, why?

It is a lot more nuanced than "it's in their culture".

In the cases cited across these boards, I have seen a number of factors reported.

Victims; vulnerable, teenage.
And? What do teenagers, and especially those who are "vulnerable" (lacking stable guardianship) do? Hang around late into the night.

Perpetrators; predominantly Pakistani men.
And? Closed groups, and operating in the nighttime economy (taxis, fast food, etc).

Perfect opportunity, for those attracted to such girls, and such crimes.
But that doesn't make everyone a perpetrator, or complicit.
 
motorbiking said:
My only goal in this debate was to stop people incorrectly referring to CSA / CSE offences and "data" and using it to troll those on this forum they think are anti "brown". The fact is organised gangs raping kids do have ethnicity considerations.
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Except when the police data base and Richard Fewkes both state that 83% 85% of group based offences are committed by white British men.
"It is not white British males committing the majority of rape abuse against kids, via rape gangs. There are plenty of official reports confirming this and I have posted them for the forum idiots to appraise themselves of..."
LIES.
 
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noseall said:
Nothing in that chapter corroborates this bullshìt boyo....
"It is not white British males committing the majority of rape abuse against kids, via rape gangs. There are plenty of official reports confirming this and I have posted them for the forum idiots to appraise themselves of..."

Lies.
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Senior officials in the police, local authorities and other agencies writing in reports or in public statements to the media conclude from the flawed available data that the majority of group-based child sexual exploitation offending is committed by White perpetrators or that the ethnic profile is ‘mixed’. Some also portray or even dismiss concerns about Asian offenders as either a ‘media coverage’ issue or ‘historical offending’, which risks detracting attention from all types of child sexual abuse. This is misleading. The seniority of the officials making these statements also makes it far more difficult for frontline staff to feel they can challenge them.
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The 2020 Home Office paper183, ‘Group-based Child Sexual Exploitation: Characteristics of Offending’, which we discuss in chapter 4, reached a conclusion that “it seems most likely that the ethnicity of group-based CSE offenders is in line with CSA more generally and with the general population, with the majority of offenders being White.” It is quoted and requoted in official reports, the media and elsewhere as proof that claims made about ‘Asian grooming gangs’ are sensationalised or untrue, although this audit found it hard to understand how the Home Office paper reached that conclusion, which does not seem to be evidenced in research or data.
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thats the quotes you keep pasting being called out as Boll@x boyo

Presenting the data with a large percentage of unknown data skews the figures (as we show in chapter 4). For example, in the COCAD data for perpetrators of group-based offending in 2023, self-defined ethnicity is 88% White when ‘unknowns’ are excluded, but 28% White when the unknowns are included. We can be confident that at least 28% of group-based offenders are White; but we cannot reach a conclusion that 88% are White overall.
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oof - that's your argument f**ed boyo.

A number of the reviews were conducted following serious harm identified as part of a police operation and ensuing prosecutions. In most cases, we were able to use open-source data to pull out the ethnicity of the perpetrators, as discussed in chapter 4. From this, we identified that, while perpetrators came from a mix of ethnic backgrounds and nationalities, a high proportion of the perpetrators in these cases were from Asian ethnic backgrounds.
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Yep It is not white British males committing the majority of rape abuse against kids, via rape gangs.

Yep Chapter 6 - written with Boyo in mind. All of his quotes and evidence shot to pieces. :LOL:
 
Brigadier said:
Taking the above, the next question is, why?

It is a lot more nuanced than "it's in their culture".

In the cases cited across these boards, I have seen a number of factors reported.

Victims; vulnerable, teenage.
And? What do teenagers, and especially those who are "vulnerable" (lacking stable guardianship) do? Hang around late into the night.

Perpetrators; predominantly Pakistani men.
And? Closed groups, and operating in the nighttime economy (taxis, fast food, etc).

Perfect opportunity, for those attracted to such girls, and such crimes.
But that doesn't make everyone a perpetrator, or complicit.
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If you are predisposed to abusing young girls, then preying on those without a voice, I.e.parents split, adopted, in a care home, penchant for vodka, coke heroin, known to the police.
 
motorbiking said:
thats the quotes you keep pasting being called out as Boll@x boyo



oof - that's your argument f**ed boyo.


Yep It is not white British males committing the majority of rape abuse against kids, via rape gangs.

Yep Chapter 6 - written with Boyo in mind. All of his quotes and evidence shot to pieces. :LOL:
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Nonsense.
85% we're committed by white British men boyo, nothing you have posted disputes that.
Pakistani 2%
"It is not white British males committing the majority of rape abuse against kids, via rape gangs. There are plenty of official reports confirming this and I have posted them for the forum idiots to appraise themselves of..."

Lies
 
noseall said:
Nonsense.
85% we're committed by white British men boyo, nothing you have posted disputes that.
Pakistani 2%
"It is not white British males committing the majority of rape abuse against kids, via rape gangs. There are plenty of official reports confirming this and I have posted them for the forum idiots to appraise themselves of..."

Lies
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Casey Report says this is boll@x. Shot to pieces. But the humble pie you should be eating remains intact.

bon appetit
 
motorbiking said:
Its quite simple organised criminals rely on closed networks. Ethnicity, race, religion etc. must never be glossed over or manipulated when investigating and prosecuting crime.

The Casey report is highly suspicious of the "system" as she calls it. That has got in the way of justice. Nobody in possession of facts and a position of authority should avoid calling out data trends or find ways to present the data differently to avoid unpleasant facts..
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I don't think anyone would disagree with that. However what we should guard against is the pendulum swinging too much the other way.

I'll say it again, the police and legal system should simply treat everyone the same when investigating and prosecuting any crime.
 
diy_fun_uk said:
I don't think anyone would disagree with that. However what we should guard against is the pendulum swinging too much the other way.

I'll say it again, the police and legal system should simply treat everyone the same when investigating and prosecuting any crime.
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Unfortunately there is a view that the over representation of certain groups is due to them being unfairly targeted. You only have to look at the issues with pre-sentencing reports.
 
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