Has the tables turned?

[motorbiking]

How so?
I'm not the cheapest nor do I need to drop my prices or profit margin to get contracts.

Supply vs Demand - It's not the sum of the materials + Labour + margin = price

The fact that folk want to use our services, regardless of price, means your theory does not apply.

It actually proves it does. They see value in reputation, reliability, knowhow. They are willing to pay a little more for the peace of mind that the job will be done well.

Accountants call this Good Will.

You were wrong (again). Get over it.

Nosenout, living the dream again. Maybe it's your amazing sales pitch that lands you overpriced work. What was it...

I just mention to folk, can you afford not to have us.

 

[securespark]

I just sub to the same company all the time have done for 10 years, if they have nothing for me I do my own thing.

Best of both then.

Dunno how you manage this. In the 90s and Naughties when I was SE, the taxman was onto me, telling me that if I was subbing and doing a large proportion of work for one company, that was not self employment and that we were defrauding the HMRC!

That was the same bloke who accused me of cooking the books because I was putting cash sums through the accounts.....

Say what?

 

[motorbiking]

Dunno how you manage this. In the 90s and Naughties when I was SE, the taxman was onto me, telling me that if I was subbing and doing a large proportion of work for one company, that was not self employment and that we were defrauding the HMRC!

That was the same bloke who accused me of cooking the books because I was putting cash sums through the accounts.....

Say what?

That is when IR35 came in April 2000. Lots of single contract "self employed" were paying less than half the tax of their employed equivalents doing the same work. The government of the day didn't like it.

 

[noseall]

Supply vs Demand - It's not the sum of the materials + Labour + margin = price

Eh? What are you waffling on about. Nothing to do with supply v's demand, when several builders are quoting for the same job and the cheapest doesn't get the job. Demand is actually quite low presently.

It actually proves it does.

Nonsense. What it actually it proves this statement is nonsense...

Are you unable to see that the value of what you do and the demand for it, vs the ability of others to do it for less dictates what you earn?

Utter twaddle and my situation proves it. Others can do it for less - whereas my fees carry on increasing and I continue to get the work over cheaper alternatives.

 

[motorbiking]

Eh? What are you waffling on about. Nothing to do with supply v's demand, when several builders are quoting for the same job and the cheapest don't get the job. Demand it actually quite low presently.

Nonsense. what it actually it proves this statement is nonsense...

Utter twaddle and my situation proves it. Others can do it for less - whereas my fees carry on increasing.

yes its clear you don't understand.

 

[Highway Man]

I'm sure the OP will clarify if he was asking about the political parties' policies on employment vs self employed or the experiences of those who have done both or either and why.

It was about how different it is today to go self employed vs being employed. The security that being in a decent job brings vs taking the plunge, is it worth it nowadays.

 

[noseall]

yes its clear you don't understand.

Lies, bullshít and deflective waffle and answering questions that were not asked? I will never understand why you are one of the worst forum offenders, no. Perhaps you are a very insecure bloke.

 

[Highway Man]

Lies, bullshít and deflective waffle and answering questions that were not asked? I will never understand why you are one of the worst forum offenders, no. Perhaps you are a very insecure bloke.

You never answered my question on price? What does that say.

 

[noseall]

is it worth it nowadays.

Little has changed in four decades. Pro's and con's for both.

 

[noseall]

You never answered my question on price? What does that say.

I don't want to discuss prices thanks. All I can say is to hire us for a week will cost somewhat above £2k. You already know what the materials cost. Logistics also play a role as well as proximity to various merchants. It's why I prefer working in a 15 mile radius from home.

 

[MNW67]

Eh? What are you waffling on about. Nothing to do with supply v's demand, when several builders are quoting for the same job and the cheapest doesn't get the job. Demand is actually quite low presently.

I think what motorbiking is saying is that, because of your good reputation, you could actually charge more for your services than you currently do. He seems to be in the role of trouble shooter. The flip side to that is not wanting to kill the golden goose.

 

[noseall]

I think what motorbiking is saying is that, because of your good reputation, you could actually charge more for your services than you currently do.

I happen to think I have the balance right. I could earn thousands more if I were prepared to travel or if I was greedy or if I wanted to dilute my efforts or if I wanted to forsake quality or if I wanted to spend hours shopping around for materials or if I wanted a heart attack.

What MBK said was this...

Are you unable to see that the value of what you do and the demand for it, vs the ability of others to do it for less dictates what you earn?

Which is incorrect.

 

[Highway Man]

I don't want to discuss prices thanks. All I can say is to hire us for a week will cost somewhat above £2k. You already know what the materials cost. Logistics also play a role as well as proximity to various merchants. It's why I prefer working in a 15 mile radius from home.

prices what I collected when thinking of this was in that ballpark, around 3k was average

 

[MNW67]

I happen to think I have the balance right.

That is how it seemed to me, too You seem to be in the sweet spot.

 

[Deleted member 317777]

That is how it seemed to me, too You seem to be in the sweet spot.

Awwww, that’s cute.