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[Notch7]

There is a WORLD of difference re flags used at the proms and protest marches organised by the likes of Yaxley-Lennon

I like to see the Union Jack on bunting at Jubilee type events
Seeing the Union Jack and bunting at good old British summer fetes on the village green.
I have a neighbour that’s into military stuff, he has an old jeep etc, he flies the flag at times like VE Day.


These are things I like to associate with the Union Jack (I believe it’s only Jack on a boat actually)




I thoroughly enjoyed the last night of the proms, the lady opera that sung land of hope and glory was wearing a stunning St George’s flag dress. The Albert hall had an amazing swirling Union Jack pattern all around the circle wall

I still can’t get use to God Save the King though.

 

[JP_]

You might be surprised to hear that your in-depth rebuttal has failed to change my mind.

Again, I note you 'missed' my post where I talked about this earlier.

I gave a short reply because there seems little sense discussing it.

Ok. So you believe that the Stop The War Coalition, who organized the march, a march which held speeches by British politicians, which was completely peaceful, contrary to popular belief, actually doesn't want to stop the war?

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They don't care one jot about ending war and bloodshed and everybody knows it.

 

[JP_]

You might be surprised to hear that your in-depth rebuttal has failed to change my mind.

Again, I note you 'missed' my post where I talked about this earlier.

I replied to one of your posts i "missed" (i don't know why you are putting missed in questions marks). I didn't know there was another. But i won't go looking for it again because, well, i really cba.

 

[Si_]

I gave a short reply because there seems little sense discussing it.

You have no reply at all to my original long post when I talked about this, as you're still pretending you didn't see it.

Ok. So you believe that the Stop The War Coalition, who organized the march, a march which held speeches by British politicians, which was completely peaceful, contrary to popular belief, actually doesn't want to stop the war?

Yes, that's what I just said. None of them have any interest in saving lives or improving people's lives, or protesting about 'war'. We know that from the causes they support, and the causes they don't. Stop the War is an anti-Western mouthpiece, nothing more, pandering to terrorists, hate groups and communists. It even campaigned against the war on ISIS.

 

[Si_]

I replied to one of your posts i "missed" (i don't know why you are putting missed in questions marks). I didn't know there was another. But i won't go looking for it again because, well, i really cba.

Don't worry, I'll repost it for you.

What's that? Missed it again? Doh!

I don't doubt it. My point is that there was so much violence on one march the police held a press conference about it. You're making a big thing of a kid at a patriot march hitting a woman on the shoulder so lightly she didn't even notice, but minimising serious and sustained violence at a protest whose cause you agree with.

When I first was aware of these Palestine marches I thought that the scenes I saw were the result of a handful of extremists, much like you get a handful of racists causing trouble at patriotic marches. Then I began to understand that's not the case, and that they are attended by a great many unpleasant, hateful people - Islamists, anti-Semites, paid provocateurs, terrorist supporters, antifa and general societal misfits with a grudge. Not all, obviously, but a lot.

I had wondered before why there were no marches for other humanitarian causes, like Yemen. Yemen has vastly more Western involvement, with direct bombings going on for years, and three times the civilian fatality rate of Gaza, yet whilst there are dozens of Palestine marches every single day, I've not heard of a single Yemen march since 2020.

Why have we not seen any marches for the multiple genocides of Christians across the Middle East across several decades, continuing to this day? Not a word from any of these people who sit with their signs condemning genocide.

I think we all know the reason for this.

 

[JP_]

You have no reply at all to my original long post when I talked about this, as you're still pretending you didn't see it.


Yes, that's what I just said. None of them have any interest in saving lives or improving people's lives, or protesting about 'war'. We know that from the causes they support, and the causes they don't. Stop the War is an anti-Western mouthpiece, nothing more, pandering to terrorists, hate groups and communists. It even campaigned against the war on ISIS.

Sorry, you started that paragraph claiming they don't want to stop war, and ended it with a criticism of them wanting to stop/avoid war.

Again, the march was peaceful, anti war, friendly, no trouble. In fact, the friend i was with even commented how few police were there.

And. I haven't seen your long post yet. There's been a lot of posts since yesterday.

 

[Si_]

Sorry, you started that paragraph claiming they don't want to stop war, and ended it with a criticism of them wanting to stop/avoid war.

No, I ended with a true statement that they actively campaigned to protect the worst terrorist group the world has ever known.

Again, the march was peaceful, anti war, friendly, no trouble. In fact, the friend i was with even commented how few police were there.

I'm not really interested in a couple of violence-free hours. I already posted extensive quotes from the police about how some of these protests were extremely violent, and my point was more about the type of people who attend them.

And. I haven't seen your long post yet. There's been a lot of posts since yesterday.

Sure. You missed my first post. Then you missed my second. Then you 'haven't seen' my repost of it, despite it being literally in the post you just replied to.

 

[Notch7]

I had wondered before why there were no marches for other humanitarian causes, like Yemen. Yemen has vastly more Western involvement, with direct bombings going on for years, and three times the civilian fatality rate of Gaza, yet whilst there are dozens of Palestine marches every single day, I've not heard of a single Yemen march since 2020

That’s not true


The West supply arms to Saudi Arabia, the West has no major involvement with Saudi Arabia leaders.
The West however has massive involvement with Israel both government and economic trade.
Israel is highly influential in USA and U.K. govts and business.

Israel is supposedly a Western style democracy, but has enacted many decades off oppression on Palestinians.



Try debating honestly instead of a stream of logical fallacies

 

[JP_]

1. I don't doubt it. My point is that there was so much violence on one march the police held a press conference about it. You're making a big thing of a kid at a patriot march hitting a woman on the shoulder so lightly she didn't even notice, but minimising serious and sustained violence at a protest whose cause you agree with.

2. When I first was aware of these Palestine marches I thought that the scenes I saw were the result of a handful of extremists, much like you get a handful of racists causing trouble at patriotic marches. Then I began to understand that's not the case, and that they are attended by a great many unpleasant, hateful people - Islamists, anti-Semites, paid provocateurs, terrorist supporters, antifa and general societal misfits with a grudge. Not all, obviously, but a lot.

3. I had wondered before why there were no marches for other humanitarian causes, like Yemen. Yemen has vastly more Western involvement, with direct bombings going on for years, and three times the civilian fatality rate of Gaza, yet whilst there are dozens of Palestine marches every single day, I've not heard of a single Yemen march since 2020.

4. Why have we not seen any marches for the multiple genocides of Christians across the Middle East across several decades, continuing to this day? Not a word from any of these people who sit with their signs condemning genocide.

5. I think we all know the reason for this.

1. Was this the one where they first arrested people with Palestine Action placards? People I've spoken to who attend these marches say they were all peaceful, which is why i decided to join them.

2. I didn't witness this at the march i went to. I would really like to know though, why you think Antifa are the bad guys. Proud British soldiers fought and died battling fascism. Now you think anti-fascism is on par with terrorism? You don't sound like a British patriot.

3. If you feel strongly, speak to your local MP and stop the war, and arrange a march. I guess it's likely because the UK is less complicit in the attacks. I believe the US are mostly involved.

4. Again, if you feel strongly, start one. There were many Christians, Jews, and other religions at the Stop The War /CND / other groups march last weekend. You could arrange for a group to join that and walk together on solidarity.

5. No, I really don't think we do. Well, people don't currently care enough to do anything, and it's not helped when the media just push racist narratives about asylum seekers in boats invading is either.

You need to separate out the problems and focus on them individually, if you really care. Attend a march, carry a placard, and talk to people. Don't just read Twitter or DIYNot.

 

[Notch7]

None of them have any interest in saving lives or improving people's lives

Opinion falsely stated as fact and not backed up with evidence.

 

[Notch7]

attended by a great many unpleasant, hateful people

“A great many”

Please can you provide some data, such as a %

Otherwise it’s meaningless

 

[Si_]

2. I didn't witness this at the march i went to. I would really like to know though, why you think Antifa are the bad guys. Proud British soldiers fought and died battling fascism. Now you think anti-fascism is on par with terrorism? You don't sound like a British patriot.

Antifa, simply one arm of the overarching group of Marxists intent on dismantling society, are some of the worst people in the country. For some reason you think that because they call themselves 'anti-fascist' that they actually are. There's certainly no time here to go into their origins and history, but it's something that everyone needs to research. If there are any people in this country worthy of the name 'fascist', it's them.

3. If you feel strongly, speak to your local MP and so the war, and arrange a march. I guess it's likely because the UK is less complicit in the attacks. I believe the US are mostly involved.

The UK takes direct military action in Yemen. We take none at all in Palestine. Everybody knows that the reason why Palestine protests dwarf those of Yemen and the Christians combined by orders of magnitude is because the pro-Gaza crowd is motivated by the rabid anti-Semitism embraced by the left and their favourite allies, the Islamists (allies for now, given that they have the most right-wing views of any group in human history).

You need to separate out the problems and focus on them individually, if you really care. Attend a march, carry a placard, and talk to people. Don't just read Twitter or DIYNot.

I don't want to protest or carry a placard. I don't care what people get up to in the Middle East, and I don't pretend to. I'm calling out the gross duplicity of these pro-Palestine groups, and the nature of the people who comprise them.

 

[JP_]

Forgive me for not replying any more than to say, I don't think anti-fascism a bad thing.

 

[Si_]

Forgive me for not replying any more than to say, I don't think anti-fascism a bad thing.

No, it's a good thing. That's why I don't associate with people who are proven to act in fascist ways, even if they call themselves 'anti-fascist'.

As for your talk of the wars we fought against fascism, ask yourself this. If all those British soldiers were here today, would they align themselves with

a) the people protesting at uncontrolled immigration, flying the flag, wanting to restore British values on a Unite the Country march, or

b) the terrorist enablers, the anarchists, the Islamists, the anti-Semites, BLM, the trans and the drag queens, the encouragers of illegal boat immigrants and abolition of borders?

There's no need to reply as I can see debate isn't your bag, but give it some thought. Consider it a puzzler for a Sunday afternoon.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

The Yaxley-Lennon march also had Hopkins in attendance. Lol, imagine holding these people in high esteem.

They're also trying to assert online that 3+ million people attended, not the ~110k reported by the media and authorities.

For people who love to suggest there's a lot of fake news milling around, they don't half like to create a lot of their own.