How does immigration benefit the country when...

[MNW67]

An interesting question I have asked before on here, is how the economy would have developed if we hadn't sent civil servants out to the former colonies in the late 1940s and the 1950s, to recruit immigrants to help our country. How would the economy have developed over the past eighty years if we had employed a much more restrictive immigration policy.

 

[Si_]

You could always pay them more, the same wages that an indigenous worker would get.

If you paid more for the role the Brits would be happy to do it. Obviously.

And they do get the same wages. It would be illegal to give immigrants lower wages for the same role. Again, obviously.

 

[MNW67]

Another interesting question is how do these areas compare with some of the all white sink estates. Is there good and bad in all cultures.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

We are told that immigration is vital to the country. (The country being non-immigrants that is).

All I see is towns full of scruffy shops, run by immigrants with the customers being immigrants also. Much of the money changing hands in this having come from the taxpayer.

How does this benefit the rest of us and what would happen to the rest of us without it?

(Footnote, government borrowing was 18 billion in August. One billion per month is paid directly to foreigners living here).

Eh?

That's all that you see? All?? Where do live?

Where I live the high majority of shops and retail establishments don't fall into this bracket.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Another interesting question is how do these areas compare with some of the all white sink estates. Is there good and bad in all cultures.

Ah now, come on. Don't you DARE try to inject some balance into this ... not allowed!!!

These are all salt of the earth people you're talking about!

 

[Si_]

An interesting question I have asked before on here, is how the economy would have developed if we hadn't sent civil servants out to the former colonies in the late 1940s and the 1950s, to recruit immigrants to help our country. How would the economy have developed over the past eighty years if we had employed a much more restrictive immigration policy.

We'd have ended up like Japan. Not the worst outcome in the world, but not the best either. But if we'd have continued the post-war immigration policies rather than throw the doors open to the most backwards cultures on Earth, and now to literally anybody who rocks up on our beaches, things would be immeasurably better.

 

[Knave of Hearts]

If you paid more for the role the Brits would be happy to do it. Obviously.

And they do get the same wages. It would be illegal to give immigrants lower wages for the same role. Again, obviously.

Ergo, "immigration does benefit the country", by keeping wages low for mundane work.

Who keeps the wages low, the workers or the employers?

 

[MNW67]

We'd have ended up like Japan. Not the worst outcome in the world, but not the best either. But if we'd have continued the post-war immigration policies rather than throw the doors open to the most backwards cultures on Earth, and now to literally anybody who rocks up on our beaches, things would be immeasurably better.

Japan has a very different economy and culture to Britain. Making comparisons with Japan is a fools game.

 

[Knave of Hearts]

We'd have ended up like Japan. ...

Fortunately we haven't.

Japan faces economic, social, and fiscal challenges due to its aging population, characterized by a very low birth rate and high life expectancy. This demographic shift creates a shrinking labor force to support a ballooning elderly population, escalating healthcare and social security costs.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Ergo, "immigration does benefit the country", by keeping wages low for mundane work.

Who keeps the wages low, the workers or the employers?

Ah come on now, don't be silly!

I'm sure all employers just can't wait to start paying more for the jobs they offer

 

[Si_]

Japan has a very different economy and culture to Britain. Making comparisons with Japan is a fools game.

So you posed the question of what would have happened to this country if it had taken a radically different approach to immigration, the economy and society in its entirety, and you don't think it would have resulted in a 'very different economy and culture'? Bizarre, to say the least.

 

[Notch7]

If you paid more for the role the Brits would be happy to do it. Obviously

After idiots voted for Brexit, EU fruit n veg pickers buggered off.

Farmers couldn’t get British workers at any price

 

[Notch7]

We'd have ended up like Japan. Not the worst outcome in the world, but not the best either. But if we'd have continued the post-war immigration policies rather than throw the doors open to the most backwards cultures on Earth, and now to literally anybody who rocks up on our beaches, things would be immeasurably better.

Oh look somebody who has been duped into believing immigration has caused all the problems in the U.K.

In reality the problems are caused by wealth inequality.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

If Reform get in and stay true to their promises, some folk are going to be in for a shock, including some who vote for them.

I can picture Larry the racist layabout now. He voted Reform to get all foreign and ideally all non white folk out the country.

One day, a letter pops through his letter box. It's from the DWP, titled 'Getting the Country Back to Work.'

Larry has been advised in the letter there's a care home job waiting for him. He can accept the job, or reject it. If he rejects it, his benefits will be cut by 50%.

Larry is so excited to start his new, still relatively low paid job, in the care home.

 

[MNW67]

So you posed the question of what would have happened to this country if it had taken a radically different approach to immigration, the economy and society in its entirety, and you don't think it would have resulted in a 'very different economy and culture'? Bizarre, to say the least.

Japan has historically been good at very different economic activities to Britain. And their culture has historically been massively different. You cannot take a unique country like Japan and say we would have been the same. Only a moron would try to make that comparison.