Who doesn't like a coup?

[Ivor Windybottom]

Farage used to sell the con that being an EU member was the cause of all the problems in the UK
Farage is now selling the con that immigrants are the cause of all the problems in the UK

They're closely related.

The leave vote victory was partly a desire to control immigration, which being a member stopped us from controlling.

Boris and chums deliberately opened the border to the world as they feared the results of us switching off the cheap foreign labour taps when leaving.

All done without anyone caring about the very real and negative impacts on the UK population - e.g. unemployment, crime, wrecked neighbourhoods etc etc.

The middle-class lefties who bang on about diversity almost always live in areas that are 95%+ indigenous British population. This isn't a coincidence, they probably wouldn't feel the same if they did live in the middle of the results of this experiment.

 

[Notch7]

The leave vote victory was partly a desire to control immigration, which being a member stopped us from controlling.

you mean freedom of movement from EU

but the focus of Farages schtick is from those arriving by small boat

Boris and chums deliberately opened the border to the world as they feared the results of us switching off the cheap foreign labour taps when leaving.

no they did not, that is untrue


Boris Johnsons only change to the points based immigration status was for students and close relatives -which was for Universities to benefit from the massive foreign student fees they charge

they did make the work visas available to specific sectors like care, which they mismanaged

All done without anyone caring about the very real and negative impacts on the UK population - e.g. unemployment, crime, wrecked neighbourhoods etc etc.

Daily Mail hogwash

The middle-class lefties who bang on about diversity almost always live in areas that are 95%+ indigenous British population. This isn't a coincidence, they probably wouldn't feel the same if they did live in the middle of the results of this experiment.

fekking hilarious you are moaning about the Conservative party "opening the borders" then trying to blame it on "middle class lefties"

tell me Ivor, Old Chum did you vote for Boris Johnson in 2019??



by the way if Reform win in 2029 and they deport thousands of immigrants, it wont make the slightest difference to your life or any other Reform voter............because immigrants are not the cause of 95% of the problems in this country




you are moaning about Boris Johnsons right wing govt for

 

[ellal]

The leave vote victory was partly a desire to control immigration, which being a member stopped us from controlling.

That of course is untrue...

The current government are looking into the Danish system of immigration control...

It is a system that Denmark is undertaking independently as a sovereign nation state...

Could you tell us whether Denmark is also a member of the EU or not?

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

Bla bla rant rant.

I can't really address any of your points as it all sounds like random rambling and denial of reality.

Send me a photo from your home in Bradford or Birmingham and tell me how great diversity is. Otherwise I'll assume that you're just another preaching about what's good for thee rather than for me.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

You can't really divide up labour or tories into left or right. They're all just trying to please everyone PC nonsense.

Go and live in a city centre then tell us all is well with what was once our country.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

That of course is untrue...

The current government are looking into the Danish system of immigration control...

It is a system that Denmark is undertaking independently as a sovereign nation state...

Could you tell us whether Denmark is also a member of the EU or not?

Denmark's immigration issue is with people outside of the EU.

We had record immigration from within the EU, which we weren't allowed to stop.

It's on record that Boris and co panicked about NHS recruitment mid-covid and leaving the EU, so decided to open up immigration to the world.

Plus immigration from outside the EU is getting out of control across all of the EU. It's just what's happening. Probably the result of smartphones, gangsters and people wanting what we have. We should be able to stop it as we're outside of their control, but we've chosen not to. Mostly by staying within the ECHR nonsense.

 

[Notch7]

You can't really divide up labour or tories into left or right. They're all just trying to please everyone PC nonsense.

Go and live in a city centre then tell us all is well with what was once our country.

If Reform deport tens of thousands of immigrants what difference will that make to your life or anybody elses life?

the main problems facing citizens in this country are:
1) house prices
2) stagnant economy
3) stagnant wages
4) poor standard if living
5) public services failing
6) NHS waiting lists

come on please can you say what difference to those things getting rid of immigrants will have

 

[Notch7]

It's on record that Boris and co panicked about NHS recruitment mid-covid and leaving the EU, so decided to open up immigration to the world

Did you vote for Boris Johnson?

by the way given that unemployment remained low when net immigration went up, is it true to say that the vast majority of people who came here were needed to run the economy?

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

If Reform deport tens of thousands of immigrants what difference will that make to your life or anybody elses life?

the main problems facing citizens in this country are:
1) house prices
2) stagnant economy
3) stagnant wages
4) poor standard if living
5) public services failing
6) NHS waiting lists

come on please can you say what difference to those things getting rid of immigrants will have

Are you trying to be ignorant of reality?

Everything on your list results from overpopulation. Which is the result of uncontrolled immigration.

By the way, the sky is blue and grass is green just in case you need that explaining too.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

Did you vote for Boris Johnson?

by the way given that unemployment remained low when net immigration went up, is it true to say that the vast majority of people who came here were needed to run the economy?

Conflating unrelated coincidences to stretch a point?

The economy was growing, immigrants filled the extra jobs. So what?

Perhaps you're confusing cause and effect.

 

[ellal]

Denmark's immigration issue is with people outside of the EU.

We had record immigration from within the EU, which we weren't allowed to stop.

Again untrue...

There were several means of controlling EU immigration from certain countries, but the UK chose not to pursue them...

And there were ways to repatriate those who weren't contributing as well...

Of course the leave campaign decided to put up posters depicting darker skin coloured people

But maybe you could tell us if the net immigration figures were lower or higher pre brexit to post brexit?

As you say...

We should be able to stop it as we're outside of their control, but we've chosen not to.

So leaving the EU didn't solve the problem...

Mostly by staying within the ECHR nonsense.

Again untrue...

The UK would have to withdraw from a whole host of treaties/charters to start to do anything you are suggesting...

But would you prefer the UK to be a pariah state?

 

[Notch7]

Everything on your list results from overpopulation. Which is the result of uncontrolled immigration.

no that is incorrect

increases in population do have a small impact, but 95% of the problems in his country are the result of domestic policy failures over decades


deporting loads of immigrants wont solve these problems:

the main problems facing citizens in this country are:
1) house prices
2) stagnant economy
3) stagnant wages
4) poor standard if living
5) public services failing
6) NHS waiting lists

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

It doesn't matter. Farage is very likely to be the next PM, change is definitely coming.

We'll just have to find out whether we're worse or better off in the 2030s. I suspect we'll do pretty well from it, but there'll be a heck of a lot of moaning and warped selective statistics being plucked out to unprove reality.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

no that is incorrect

increases in population do have a small impact, but 95% of the problems in his country are the result of domestic policy failures over decades

Go on, admit you're wrong. You know it deep down, but you've already told everyone you're a lefty so can't change course.

 

[Notch7]

Conflating unrelated coincidences to stretch a point?

The economy was growing, immigrants filled the extra jobs. So what?

Perhaps you're confusing cause and effect.

no the economy over that period was pretty stagnant

but there were serious shortages of works in: care sector, hospitality, agriculture, NHS, transport



you are desperate to believe the problems in this country are all due to immigrants

I bet you voted for Brexit because you thought all the problems in this country were due to EU membership...........you were conned by Nige once and now you wanna be conned again