Why are Israelis furious?

[securespark]

No doubt I'm looking at this too simplistically, however I find it strange that the Jews went through the atrocities of WW2 and what happened to them in Germany, and yet here they are, essentially forcing people out of a place they consider home.

I've been saying something similar here and elsewhere for many years.

 

[morqthana]

But then how do you get to grips with the domestic extremists

Treat them the same way as they treat Hamas and Hezbollah. They'll soon get the message.

 

[morqthana]

No doubt I'm looking at this too simplistically, however I find it strange that the Jews went through the atrocities of WW2 and what happened to them in Germany, and yet here they are, essentially forcing people out of a place they consider home.

And referring to them as "animals", "vermin", "sub-human", and proposing herding Palestinians into a concentration camp.

 

[Elsa TLC]

I've been saying something similar here and elsewhere for many years.

The Jews waited for the world to rescue them in 1932. That rescue never come until 1945

Not Germany but Iran potentially bigger threat to wipe out the Jews and Israel. They were not waiting for the world again.

Lots of old bitter Israelis . The young was not so bitter and only wanted peace. October 7 changed all that.

 

[Dec27]

The news that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will be heading the inquiry into his own government’s failings ahead of the Hamas-led attacks of October 7, 2023...oh wait, i get it.

I’m fairly sure Keir Starmer handled his own enquiry?

 

[morqthana]

The Jews waited for the world to rescue them in 1932. That rescue never come until 1945

So that justifies what they have been doing to Palestinians ever since?

Lots of old bitter Israelis . The young was not so bitter and only wanted peace. October 7 changed all that.

And a future recurrence will change all that for the next generation, and the next, and the next, until Israel accepts that Palestinians have the right to self-determination and a viable state, gives back all that it has plundered, and helps pay for the damage it has wrought.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

This is partly why I struggle to get my head around the whole religion thing.

So if Jesus came back, the Israelis must think he would support their position, including the settlements and essentially trying to force the Palestinians out?

It's important for me to say here, I'm not actually coming down on one side or the other. I'm referring to the religious aspect and how it's supposed to link with what's going on. e.g. you'll have a world leader responsible for hundreds or thousands of deaths, and they'll go and light a candle in their local church during a religious celebration.

If God exists, what do they (the leaders) think it (God) would make of it all?

The whole thing is weird. It's like watching some of the American politicians spout what is basically bile, and they'll end their speech with something like 'may God bless you and our troops'. Weird way to end speeches that are often filled with vitriol.

 

[fillyboy]

This is partly why I struggle to get my head around the whole religion thing.

So if Jesus came back, the Israelis must think he would support their position, including the settlements and essentially trying to force the Palestinians out?

It's important for me to say here, I'm not actually coming down on one side or the other. I'm referring to the religious aspect and how it's supposed to link with what's going on. e.g. you'll have a world leader responsible for hundreds or thousands of deaths, and they'll go and light a candle in their local church during a religious celebration.

If God exists, what do they (the leaders) think it (God) would make of it all?

The whole thing is weird. It's like watching some of the American politicians spout what is basically bile, and they'll end their speech with something like 'may God bless you and our troops'. Weird way to end a speeches that are often filled with vitriol.

Religion doesn't come into it.

 

[securespark]

I didn't think that Israelis believed in Jesus as the son of God.

 

[Odds]

Of course, as evidenced in the 'Zion and the art of Armageddon',

It's a pity y'all trolled the thread into extinction that the evidence you suggest cannot be produced.
Of course, views of left-wing Israeli's on there were also deleted, along with evidence of Israeli atrocities and flagrant breaches of international law.

That's okay. I remember. I never forget.

you hero worship Hamas and Hezbollah,

A lie.

you support the murder of Jews,

A lie.

you openly stated that 'the Jews had it coming'.

It was said that Netanyahu brought the attack of Hamas on the people of Israel by his perfidious treatment of Palestinians. Actions that have been well documented by independent and credible sources around the world.
I can easily find them again.

 

[Odds]

I didn't think that Israelis believed in Jesus as the son of God.

They do not.

It's the central faultline between the three great faiths: Christians believe he was a prophet and the Son of God while Moslems say he was a great prophet but not God. The jews say he was neither.

 

[Odds]

A timely piece in this morning's Grauniad by David Slucki throws light on a growing divide in modern Judaism by pointing out the different ways Zionism is interpreted. I say it's a Nationalist movement of expansion for a Greater Israel while someone like F.boy would point out it's only defending their right to exist as a Nation - something nobody in here has denied, by the way.

In the nearly 130 years since the founding of the Zionist movement, the meaning of the term has continually evolved...Today many Jews see Zionism as a modern continuation of the centuries-old yearning for connection with the land of Israel, which is deeply rooted in Jewish history and liturgy. A commonly held view is that the state of Israel is necessary to protect Jews around the world from the possibility of ongoing persecution.

Many Zionists advocate for a democratic Jewish state to sit alongside a democratic Palestinian state. Many are deeply critical of, even hostile to, the current Israeli government. At the extreme end of the spectrum are ultranationalists – including members of the Israeli cabinet – who reject Palestinian statehood...For Jews who oppose Zionism, the role of statehood runs counter to their self-understanding of what it means to be Jewish.

(He concludes.)

It is possible for critics of Israel to argue that Jewish statehood has caused profound harm to Palestinians, while still recognising that targeting people because they are Jewish, or because of their political or cultural attachments, crosses a line from legitimate political disagreement into bigotry. The reverse is also true: defending the right of Jews to hold Zionist beliefs does not require endorsing every action or government of the Israeli state.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Religion doesn't come into it.

I suppose my point is that, regardless of who believes what, many of these people will assert they believe in a religious entity and many will follow the construct of that religion. So how do they balance that with their actions and/or the actions of others they support. Surely if these gods exist, they wouldn't support any of this.

It's the hypocrisy of that aspect I'm referring to. e,g, seeing a world leader light a candle in a religious building whilst simultaneously ordering the deaths of many, including innocent civilians.

 

[crystal ball]

I didn't think that Israelis believed in Jesus as the son of God.

Some do, around 2% of Israelis are christian

 

[Vinty]

The Jews waited for the world to rescue them in 1932. That rescue never come until 1945

The whole world was waiting to be rescued until 1945.
Unfortunately rescue came too late for millions of others.