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Reform supporters voting against their best interests
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Perhaps not everyone is as selfish and lazy as you think everyone else must be.
It may be that they'd like to get a job and/or don't want to be on benefits.
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Then surely they can get one, and not claim benefits?
Unlikely, as the economy's being rapidly decimated by the current government. Businesses have battened down the hatches and are preparing for the Starmergeddon 2026 recession. Or can't afford to employ due to the NI and wage rises. Or don't want to risk employing due to the insane employees rights bill.
Plus you currently often end up worse-off if switching from benefits to wages. They'd be better off if their benefits income halved, but they'd still be able to get a chunk of it while working. Work should always pay, it currently doesn't.
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Any business that can make more money by employing more people will do so.
The ones that seem to be struggling are those at the cheap end.
I thought we as a country wanted better wages and standards of living
Your wonky lefty logic would be fine if we lived on the planet UK.
In reality we live in a competitive world, where companies can move facilities and people to other countries if we don't compete.
Your hard of thinking analysis is precisely why Labour always makes the poor poorer, despite their good intentions.
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So a race to the bottom...
Not necessarily. We can impose tariffs on importers whose standards are lower, e.g. if their farming is less kind or ecologicial.
What's your alternative? Shut the borders, regulate everything and basically have communism?
You can't have high wages/conditions and free trade, that's what we've been attempting for the last couple of decades and is why we've ended up where we are, with massive debts and most factories replaced by unproductive newbuild estates full of people selling cups of coffee and dog-walking services to each other.
We need proper industry.
What's your alternative? Shut the borders, regulate everything and basically have communism?
You can't have high wages/conditions and free trade, that's what we've been attempting for the last couple of decades and is why we've ended up where we are, with massive debts and most factories replaced by unproductive newbuild estates full of people selling cups of coffee and dog-walking services to each other.
We need proper industry.
Tell that to the tens of thousands, mainly young, who have lost their jobs under Labour, so you reckon we just close down struggling business's instead of helping them? to many people these jobs are the first rung of the ladder, and will lead to better things.
That's what brexiteers were promised when they voted to get rid of 'foreigners'...
I guess the fact that they'd been played for fools and would be expected to pick up the slack didn't occur to them
In reality (because "we" don't want to pay enough tax to invest in our own people), we can't get "proper industry" at anything other than niche scale.
It is you who needs the reality check.
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So you think that businesses can only thrive if they are allowed to treat their employees unfairly, to deprive them of any certainty of being given shifts, or to cancel shifts at short notice, to fire-and-rehire...
The fault then would lie in how much the pay for work is, not how much benefits are.
